ponce Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 (edited) Well, after being corrected in my thinking by a few nice pm's re: asking about unreviewed items I decided to ask my lgs to order a Windham Weaponry 308 of this persuasion: http://www.windhamweaponry.com/pdf/NewTechSeets/SRC%20R16SFST-308%20MSRP%20PRICING.pdf After the distributor sent the wrong item and it was returned and the proper rifle was sent and money changed hands I had a 16" WW 308 to look at. The factory reports a rifle weight of 8 pounds. This one weighs 7 lb 10 oz. (No mag, sights or sling). Empty magpul pmag weighs 5.8 oz. The protecter that fits on the top of the mag weighs 0.4 oz. The simple carry strap/sling weighs 2 oz. The purchased Magpul mbus rear sight weighs1.3 oz and the front sight weighs 1.2 oz. The carbine style sliding buttstock weighs 7.0 oz. Charging handle by vernier measurement is 8.048" long and weighs 1.3 oz. The bolt carrier group weighs 1 lb 2 oz and is 8 and 7/16" long with the bolt in the rearward 'locked' position. The front portion of the bolt carrier is not round but seems to be from a piece of steel about 1.182" in diameter and the smaller diameter rear portion is 0.930" diameter. The firing pin is 3.940" long and has several steps. At the tip it is 0.077" diameter, then is 0.103" diameter then is 0.154" diameter. It weighs 0.4 oz. The bolt weighs 2.8 oz and is about 0.889" diameter at the lugs and the body has slight steps but is 0.661 " mostly. The bolt carrier has the letters JC stamped on the left side of the front portion of the carrier. The carrier is 7.87" long and weighs 14.4 oz (with key installed). Trigger pull is over 7 pounds. The lowest I measured was 7 pounds, highest was 7 lbs 8 oz and most pulls were about 7 lbs 6 oz. That obviously will need to be improved. It's not been shot yet--except at factory. It will have sights and scope added and then I'll try to get some accuracy information to post. The fit and finish are really very good. The charging handle operates smoothly. The recoil spring is stout, as expected. The rifle is well balanced in my opinion and, with the 16" barrel is quite handy. Ideally, at least to me, a 308 AR would weigh 5 pounds for carry and 10 pounds for shooting. But this looks like a very good compromise. At some point in the distant future I'll post a picture (if I ever learn how). As an old fogey I'm doing pretty good just to write this stuff. Added: It was shipped to the dealer from the distributor in a large box--it looks like two rifles were shipped by the factory in that outer box. The inner cardboard box contained a plastic gun box with foam and the accessories- sling, magazine, papers. Edited February 13, 2015 by ponce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Nice ponce ! Good info even with out pic! My lgs has 2 on the shelf and if I were in the market this would be my next rifle! Plenty of triggers out there to get that pull weight down. Waiting for your first shots review... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wetncold Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 I like mine. My problem is the BUIS. I bought the Magpul Pro's because they are all metal and polymers on the front would be a bad idea. But I have the rear sight moved all the way over to the left and I don't think that is enough. Looking down the rifle it looks like it needs to be more left than it will go. I guess I'll find out when it warms up a little this spring. Too cold for this old man now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaRKle! Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 I like mine. My problem is the BUIS. I bought the Magpul Pro's because they are all metal and polymers on the front would be a bad idea. But I have the rear sight moved all the way over to the left and I don't think that is enough. Looking down the rifle it looks like it needs to be more left than it will go. I guess I'll find out when it warms up a little this spring. Too cold for this old man now.Is the rail not straight or the upper receiver? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wetncold Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 It's all straight. The sights are just not very adjustable. But I got my Leupold cleaned up and it will go on top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Good job on the info . Photo's anyone ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmackc Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 looks okay, did you get a lot off the MRP of $1600? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wetncold Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 I paid $1075 for mine and free shipping. Bud's Gun Shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmackc Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Sounds great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Damn good price brother,Budds is good people to deal with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 It's all straight. The sights are just not very adjustable. But I got my Leupold cleaned up and it will go on top. Something isn't right with the setup - the sights will only do what they will do. If they don't adjust into range, then something else is off. I'd suspect the gas block or front sight post, first. Something isn't right with the rifle assembly... <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wetncold Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 It all looks good to me. I used a Starrett machinists level on it. That thing will read a dollar bill on a pool table. I have done it. I sent an email to Magpul and will see what they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) They will probably say that if the rifle is in mechanical zero as manufactured, that their sights will be able to be zero'd. Something's not right with your rifle. That's the bottom line. What it is, I have no idea - but you could help with the information. It's not MagPul's sights that are the problem here. They can send you 10 sets of sights in warranty, and it's not gonna fix this problem... Edited February 16, 2015 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponce Posted February 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 What model of the rifle is being discussed now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 wetncold's rifle - not yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) I like mine. My problem is the BUIS. I bought the Magpul Pro's because they are all metal and polymers on the front would be a bad idea. But I have the rear sight moved all the way over to the left and I don't think that is enough. Looking down the rifle it looks like it needs to be more left than it will go. I guess I'll find out when it warms up a little this spring. Too cold for this old man now. Sounds like you have the front sight mounted on a railed gas block , is this the way it is set up ? If so , it would be the first place to check for something out of alignment . Edited February 16, 2015 by survivalshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponce Posted February 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) wetncold's rifle - not yours. I'm guessing it's the SRC model. That's what I was trying to confirm. Is this your model wetncold? Edited February 16, 2015 by ponce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wetncold Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponce Posted February 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Probably gas block off a bit. But, there can be a very slight rotational play in some barrels in the upper receiver. You might tell Windham and let their warranty work for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wetncold Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I have checked everything. It's all level, straight and tight. I have noticed that when I adjust the rear sight it doesn't move. Stays right on the center mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 This is on the MagPul metal sight - the Pro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wetncold Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmackc Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Speaking of sight alignment, do any of you use an in chamber lazer to boresight your sights? Optical boresighters usually aren't tall enough to reach sights on an AR platform rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) I have checked everything. It's all level, straight and tight. I have noticed that when I adjust the rear sight it doesn't move. Stays right on the center mark. Well , that's not right . In post # 3 , you said you had it all the way to the left & looked like it needed to go more , sounds like it moved at one point . Has Magpul contacted you back yet ? Have you shot this rifle yet with these sights ? Have you the ability to take photo's of the sight alignment & sights . You also say its all straight , with the upper receiver rail perfectly aligned with the gas Block rail ? It will not take the Gas Block being off to screw up sight alignment . The rail on the Gas block may be out of spec's , even though its rail flat may be level , other parts of where the rail clamps, may be off & tilting the front or rear sight . Edited February 17, 2015 by survivalshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Speaking of sight alignment, do any of you use an in chamber lazer to boresight your sights? Optical boresighters usually aren't tall enough to reach sights on an AR platform rifle. I still use my Bushnell Bore sighter on some rifles , but mostly I shoot at 25 yards & make adj. there . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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