ChaseFan9 Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 I've heard a lot of talk about ATF being an excellent lubricant, but it stains everything. Anyone know how to remove the red dye from it?
survivalshop Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 Feel free to talk about anything and everything shooting related in this board. <dontknow> <laughs>
MikedaddyH Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 What is the final product. And can't you buy it legally ?
ChaseFan9 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Report Posted June 7, 2015 Feel free to talk about anything and everything shooting related in this board. <dontknow> <laughs> I'm thinking about soaking my NiB bolt carrier in it overnight before I start to break in my rifle, but I'd rather not turn it and the inside of my receiver red. I thought there were a lot more that used ATF on their rifles, someone has to know. That's shooting related, right?
98Z5V Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 There are better things to use besides ATF. Let that idea go, man, just let it go... <lmao>
shepp Posted June 7, 2015 Report Posted June 7, 2015 Wouldn't synthetic motor oil be about the same?!?
AngelDeVille Posted June 8, 2015 Report Posted June 8, 2015 Wouldn't synthetic motor oil be about the same?!? No, ATF has an assload of detergents, and would be a poor lubricant for firearms. You could use it for cleaning. But why...
ChaseFan9 Posted June 8, 2015 Author Report Posted June 8, 2015 No, ATF has an assload of detergents, and would be a poor lubricant for firearms. You could use it for cleaning. But why... I thought it was the other way around? Oh well, thanks anyways, y'all....
392heminut Posted June 9, 2015 Report Posted June 9, 2015 No, ATF has an assload of detergents, and would be a poor lubricant for firearms. You could use it for cleaning. But why... Angel is dead on with that info, ATF is an extremely high detergent lubricant.
392heminut Posted June 9, 2015 Report Posted June 9, 2015 There are better things to use besides ATF. Let that idea go, man, just let it go... <lmao> Exactly!
CactusRos Posted June 17, 2015 Report Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) No, ATF has an assload of detergents, and would be a poor lubricant for firearms. You could use it for cleaning. But why... Dunno about detergents, but nearly all ATFs have "friction improvers" to make the clutches and bands grab better. The notable exception is type "F", for old Ford (pre-1977) transmissions, which is the recommended ATF (combined with full-synthetic motor oil) for home-brew gun lubricants. I've even used Nissan Matic-S, which is green. Why use ATF? The ATFs - as with the power steering fluids - have a higher level of anti-oxidants, which could be helpful if one has to lug the weapon around in wet weather. Does it make any significant difference? Dunno, I've only been using them for about 30 years. One thing: they all have an obvious "ATF" odor. I don't use my "custom" gun oil in my hunting rifle. G-96 synthetic has no noticeable (to me) odor. Edited June 17, 2015 by CactusRos
survivalshop Posted June 17, 2015 Report Posted June 17, 2015 With all the true & tested Firearms lubricants & cleaners out there , you'all want to use tranny fluids <dontknow> Just about any kind of lubricant will work in a pinch ( I have used oil from the dip stick from my truck before , but I had to ), but to make your own brew for lubricants & use it ? :ugone2far: To each their own ,Its your firearms , so use what ever floats you boat . I know what your going to say , but unless you have a large R&D program , I don't buy it . <munch>
survivalshop Posted June 17, 2015 Report Posted June 17, 2015 That's shooting related, right? Yes it is , but not what you asked or referred to in the first post . I wasn't sure where you were going with it , you could have been talking about using it in the Primary of your HD . <dontknow> <laughs> Some do !
392heminut Posted June 17, 2015 Report Posted June 17, 2015 ( I have used oil from the dip stick from my truck before , but I had to ), Been there, done that!
ridurall Posted June 18, 2015 Report Posted June 18, 2015 If you're looking for something to aid in cleaning your rifle I would stay away from ATF as a lube or cleaner. I use non-chlorinated Brake cleaner to cut carbon when cleaning all my guns. It's just like those $8 or $9 cans of gun cleaner spray but you can buy the Walmart or what ever brand for about $2.50 a tall can. It's great for cleaning those semi auto .22 LR guns that are all carboned up from lack of cleaning. Just use it to wash out all the crap in those actions with a bunch of springs that are a pain to take apart and put back together. Just be sure and keep it off any wood finish. It won't hurt polymer guns but it will eat gun stock finish. Now Synthitic motor oil is a great lubricant for rifle or handguns but recently I've switched to FireClean for all my moving parts on my guns. www.firecleanusa.com It keeps carbon from sticking. It's long lasting and I especially like it in my carry gun a 10mm Colt Delta Elite. I actually picked it up from Amazon Prime on line.
mrmackc Posted June 18, 2015 Report Posted June 18, 2015 Where were you that you couldn't buy or order in Hoppes, Gunslick, Outters, CLP, G96 US cleaner,rifle Mobil One or B-12 carb cleaner?...maybe Detroit?
survivalshop Posted June 18, 2015 Report Posted June 18, 2015 I going to put this question to all here . What firearm lubricant would you use in the Engine or Transmission in your car, truck or Motorcycle ? If your answer in none , then why would you even consider using a lubricant made for your car , truck or Motorcycle in a Firearm ?
392heminut Posted June 18, 2015 Report Posted June 18, 2015 I going to put this question to all here . What firearm lubricant would you use in the Engine or Transmission in your car, truck or Motorcycle ? If your answer in none , then why would you even consider using a lubricant made for your car , truck or Motorcycle in a Firearm ? Maybe because there are no wear surfaces on a firearm that come anywhere near the stress put on the rod and main bearings of an engine?
survivalshop Posted June 18, 2015 Report Posted June 18, 2015 I'm not too sure on that one , the CUP or PSI on the Bolt lugs when the cartridge is fired are great , not to mention the pressure still on them when they start to unlock . Example , could be 55,000 psi , I have no idea what kind of pressure is exerted on a Crank or Connecting rod bearing , but for a rifle locking lug , thats quite a bit of stress <dontknow>
mrmackc Posted June 18, 2015 Report Posted June 18, 2015 Amen Survivalshop guy, Besides the completely difference of cars and firearms in the purpose, nature and applications of an automatic transmission and an 308AR how about thinking about the differences in the engineering, building, materials and uses of those units, talk about comparing ball bearings to bananas!
392heminut Posted June 18, 2015 Report Posted June 18, 2015 thats quite a bit of stress <dontknow> For a VERY short duration.
shepp Posted June 18, 2015 Report Posted June 18, 2015 I get the synthetic motor oil thing, and I've heard of 100's of guys using it hell the machine gun shoot I gone to they dump it on. But like started why go out of your way to try blending something when there are products out there tried and tested that people will stand behind
ChaseFan9 Posted June 18, 2015 Author Report Posted June 18, 2015 This thread is still alive? I didn't realize how unclear my OP was until I re-read it, sorry 'bout that, SS. Maybe because there are no wear surfaces on a firearm that come anywhere near the stress put on the rod and main bearings of an engine? That's along the lines of my thinking. That, and I've seen transmissions go 300k+ miles on factory trans fluid. You might have 50k psi on a rifle but the amount of friction in these rifles is nothing compared to years of running an engine/trans at high temps for long periods of time. I think it's type F I was thinking of, though, not regular atf.
survivalshop Posted June 18, 2015 Report Posted June 18, 2015 For a VERY short duration. But over & over again & sometimes with dirt or sand thrown in there . <laughs> :auto:
98Z5V Posted June 19, 2015 Report Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) Dunno about detergents, but nearly all ATFs have "friction improvers" to make the clutches and bands grab better. By that very statement you just made, your "friction improvers" would have in increase friction in order to "make the clutches and bands grab better." If they decrease friction, the clutches and bands would slip. I'll double-down on this part of the discussion - let's go. Let's get machanical here. Spin your side of this. Edited June 19, 2015 by 98Z5V
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