Boot_Scraper Posted April 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 Guess I shoulda worded "seperated cases" differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 On my semi loads and anything 168-175, I don't go over 42.0 grains of RL-15. Back when I had a bunch of Varget, it was the same, 42.0 grains... The flat primers were an indication - got any pics of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot_Scraper Posted April 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 Here's the "separation": That thin line is a crack. Primers aren't awful. Makes me think the brass is overworked but, I'm far from a reloading expert and I take no offense from anyone who wants to "learn" me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 1:33 AM, Boot_Scraper said: 165 Sierra Gameking HPBT, 2.750 COAL, 43 gn Varget. Sierra load manual says 43 is max. Brass was on its 3rd reload. I had been FL sizing as well. The separation was very minute. Primers were flat but no flow. Expand My Hornady 10 manual for 165s and 168s is showing Varget max load, 2600fps, 44.0gr. 2500fps is 41.7gr. So it takes 2.3gr of Varget to get that next 100fps. That 100fps isn't worth it. max load is usually not the most accurate load, anyway. Load up 5 each starting 41.7gr, then 5 more 0.2gr higher (41.9gr), until you get to the load UNDER 43.0gr. Shot them bottom to top, on separate targets, record the data on the target, put those 5 back in the cartridge holder or baggie, labeled, etc. Go for the best accurate load that shows zero pressure signs, including flat primers. Find out what it is, and load 'em up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot_Scraper Posted April 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 All 5 cases at 43 had a good bulge at the base. (Insert innuendo as needed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 1:50 AM, Boot_Scraper said: Here's the "separation": That thin line is a crack. Primers aren't awful. Makes me think the brass is overworked but, I'm far from a reloading expert and I take no offense from anyone who wants to "learn" me. Expand Holy SHIIT!!! Look at that pressure ring at the base of the brass!!! Ladies and Gentlemen, THIS is a great example of the "pressure ring" that SS is always talking about... Boot, that's a pretty serious pressure sign, right there. Oh, and screw Federal brass... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) I'll bet you can't get that case through the deprime/resize die again, without getting it stuck. I'm serious. That thing is going to "become one" with a FL die. Edited April 25, 2018 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot_Scraper Posted April 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 I'm witch'ya @98Z5V ! 42.4 looks promising. What's a good brass for our large framers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot_Scraper Posted April 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 1:56 AM, 98Z5V said: I'll bet you can't get that case through the deprime/resize die again, without getting it stuck. I'm serious. That thing is going to "become one" with a FL die. Expand Yep. I chunked em when i got home. Had to clean the Spaghetti Oh's off for the pics. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 I learned that on my "making of 300BLK brass" a few years ago... FL all my AR stuff, no matter what. PPU brass, not the PPU Match brass, I could load twice after I converted it to BLK. 3rd time I tried, I stuck two of them in the FL die. First one I thought was a fluke, and I got it out. Then just did it again with another one. All the PPU brass went in the trash, after the time it takes to convert them. I only used Lake City 5.56 NATO brass for 300BLK manufacture now. Brass for .308 Win... PMC brass is excellent. Starline brass is very excellent. Hornady standard brass is very good, and Hornady Match brass is great! Federal .308 Win brass sucks, unless we're talking about Federal GOld Medal Match brass, which is right up there with Hornady Match brass, IMHO. PPU brass is also good, and you can come by that cheap. Federal makes an ammo like called American Eagle, and they do an M1 Match load - that brass is good. Looks like they changed the packaging now, and it's called 7.62x51 168gr OTM. This stuff: You can nail it cheap, and the brass is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot_Scraper Posted April 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 2:08 AM, 98Z5V said: Brass for .308 Win... PMC brass is excellent. Starline brass is very excellent. Hornady standard brass is very good, and Hornady Match brass is great! Federal .308 Win brass sucks, unless we're talking about Federal GOld Medal Match brass, which is right up there with Hornady Match brass, IMHO. PPU brass is also good, and you can come by that cheap. Federal makes an ammo like called American Eagle, and they do an M1 Match load - that brass is good. Looks like they changed the packaging now, and it's called 7.62x51 168gr OTM. This stuff: You can nail it cheap, and the brass is good. Expand Thank you sir! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 There are others I'm forgetting. CBC ammo. It shoots like shiit, but the brass is good for 4 or 5 loadings, then throw it away. S&B ammo, Sellier & Bellot - that brass is good. When I think of the others, I'll list them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mineralman55 Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 1:56 AM, Boot_Scraper said: What's a good brass for our large framers? Expand I have found the 1x-fired mil brass to be very good. It's inexpensive, usually mostly of the same lot. It just takes a little elbow grease to get ready for loading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mley1 Posted April 26, 2018 Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 Seeing the negative comments toward Federal brass has me wondering. For my reloads I've been using Federal brass from some 150grn Federal Fusion rounds I shot up. The brass seems to be good. I'm on the 3rd loading for 60 of the pieces. I've got 40 in reserve. I haven't seen any pressure signs, other than the primers lightly flattened. Nothing bad. I'm loading 168grn TTSX bullets over 44.7 of Varget. I'm using Winchester large primers, and I do clean the primer pocket and flash hole. Getting a five round average of 2562fps. I use full length RCBS dies. And, I do a very light crimp with a crimping die. I've got 65rnds loaded. They're my hunting loads. I've fired about 40 rounds of this load testing for accuracy and the best seating depth. I haven't had any trouble so far out of the Federal brass I'm using. I'll definitely keep a close watch on them though. I checked all my loaded rounds after reading the above comments, and didn't notice any issues on the brass. They have been firing well from my PA10, with no issues at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot_Scraper Posted April 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 2:29 AM, 98Z5V said: There are others I'm forgetting. CBC ammo. It shoots like shiit, but the brass is good for 4 or 5 loadings, then throw it away. S&B ammo, Sellier & Bellot - that brass is good. When I think of the others, I'll list them. Expand Just went through my minuscule brass stash and came up with 72 CBC cases. I'm gonna work up a batch see how she does. I'll updated in another 6 months @mley1 I was in the same boat. Bought a bunch of Fusion back in the day and been using the fired cases all these years. As far as factory ammo goes, I had great results running it through my R25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfoosh006 Posted April 26, 2018 Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 Have any of you guys read the Handloader Magazine article.. ( from Dec. _ Jan. 2009 ) titled "Developing An Accurate .308 Handload" ... while the rifle used was a Sako TRG-22 Bolt action .... it has a TON of VERY useful info....including brass life from that rifle... YMMV in a SA .308 AR. IM me if anyone is interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mley1 Posted April 26, 2018 Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 On 4/26/2018 at 3:00 PM, bfoosh006 said: Have any of you guys read the Handloader Magazine article.. ( from Dec. _ Jan. 2009 ) titled "Developing An Accurate .308 Handload" ... while the rifle used was a Sako TRG-22 Bolt action .... it has a TON of VERY useful info....including brass life from that rifle... YMMV in a SA .308 AR. IM me if anyone is interested. Expand I'm interested. I'll send you a IM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot_Scraper Posted May 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2018 The pa-10 didn't like the SST 165 and 4895 combo. Not one bit. Back to the Varget. Shoulda known. Stopped at 41.5 because of a good sized pressure ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodByNAair Posted May 5, 2018 Report Share Posted May 5, 2018 hmmm. Both the 18 and 20" PA10 i'm testing like the SST 150gr hornady with IMR 4064 powder 44.5gr. Small amount of testing at this point but both shot well on this loading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot_Scraper Posted May 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2018 I might try the 150's. I used the last of my 4895. I'll see if I can find a better powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot_Scraper Posted September 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 Looks like the barrel is breaking in. These are the same loads that I hunt with in my X-bolt. 42.5 gn of Varget under a 165 Sierra HPBT Gameking. They shoot under .5" at 100 in that rifle and make for a very short track, if at all. Also ditched the ultra lightweight scope mount for something more meaty. Woodland critters beware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 That's some good stuff, right there, man. Sierra GameKings are great projectiles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot_Scraper Posted September 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 You ain't lying. I wanna try some Barnes TTSX but it's hard to walk away from a good thing. Midway has my B-day coupon ready for me. Might just say fugg it and get a box of 150's comin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMERIKINSHIP Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 Any updates on the Armaspec SRS Buffer Assembly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheap-bastidge Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 Speaking of reloading for the pa10, I have had good results so far using 7.62x51 nato brass, using 168 grain hornady hpbt bullets, and cfe223 powder. Good combination, but you need to be super careful preparing the brass, full length sizing with a small base die is a MUST. Be very careful with your powder charge, because 7.62 nato is a different beast than .308 due to a different case volume. Right between 43.7 and 44 grains seems to be the sweet spot, extremely accurate. No signs of overpressure on brass or primers at this level. I know the pressure is very near the limit for the caliber. This is the sweet spot for controlling the cost per round yet still getting very good accuracy. If you know a better and still inexpensive way, please speak up ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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