George Martin Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 Going through a bunch of stuff I inherited from a Korean war vet buddy of mine. He liked to sporterize military rifles a bunch of which I got. Now I'm sorting through boxes of ammo trying to figure out what is what.I found a box of ammo that's unmarked. Looks like a .308 case necked to 6.5.Case lenght: 2.011"Base: .471"Rim: .473"Neck: .292COL: 2.294"Bullet Dia: .263"Does anyone have an idea what this is?Cheers,George
George Martin Posted January 10, 2012 Author Report Posted January 10, 2012 It looks like a 6.5 JAP but the case dia. @ the base of the taper is .450" with the JAP being .409".Thanks,George
George Martin Posted January 10, 2012 Author Report Posted January 10, 2012 Yes, DA 62 and a mark that looks like a + with a circle around it.George
98Z5V Posted January 11, 2012 Report Posted January 11, 2012 The + with the circle around it is the NATO headstamp. Indicates that it's not a civilian cartridge (unless it's something that's been reloaded into a NATO case..308 Win and 7.62x51 NATO. The 7.62 ammo will have the NATO headstamp, the .308 Win will not. Same with .223 Rem and 5.56x45 NATO. the .223 Rem won't have a NATO headstamp, but the 5.56 will.
survivalshop Posted January 11, 2012 Report Posted January 11, 2012 Photo's if ya can , including the base stampings.
Robocop1051 Posted January 11, 2012 Report Posted January 11, 2012 .Photo's if ya can , including the base stampings.Alongside a .308 would be nice.
hobbesgunner Posted January 11, 2012 Report Posted January 11, 2012 DA is Dominion Arsenal Quebec, Canada.....if it has the NATO stamp it has to be a standard cartridge case......308 or 30-06 I'd think
George Martin Posted January 13, 2012 Author Report Posted January 13, 2012 Sorry it took me so long, been working graveyards all week. :'([img width=810 height=538]http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d83/Gungle_/DSC_0228.jpg
survivalshop Posted January 15, 2012 Report Posted January 15, 2012 Looks like a hand load to me . You can see the sizer or forming die marks on the case.Its close to a 6.5 x 55 mm Swedish.
MaDuce Posted January 15, 2012 Report Posted January 15, 2012 7.62 NATO case necked to 6.5 is a .243 Magnum. Maybe a custom reload?
Tripledeuce Posted January 15, 2012 Report Posted January 15, 2012 Respectfully. the 7.62 nato necked to 6.5 is the 260 rem. It looks like a "standard" 260 reload to me. 6.5X308=260 rem. Terry
98Z5V Posted January 16, 2012 Report Posted January 16, 2012 I think that one IS a 6.5 Swede. Not a handload, but a real 6.5 Swede round.
Tripledeuce Posted January 16, 2012 Report Posted January 16, 2012 Base dia on a Swede is .477, rim is .480. Base on a 7.62 is .470, and rim .473. Again, it appears , to me, to be a .260. respectfully Terry
98Z5V Posted January 16, 2012 Report Posted January 16, 2012 With an overall loaded length of 3.150" on the 6.5 Swede, and an overall of 2.800" on the .260 Rem, I'd say this is definitely a 6.5 Swede that the OP has posted.Pics below are the OPs pic, the 6.5 Swede, then a .260 Rem.
Robocop1051 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Posted January 16, 2012 It's a soft nose bullet though. I thought NATO only allowed FMJ. Could it be a hot or heavy loaded .260? Maybe someone resized a NATO 7.62x51 casing and jammed a 180 gr lead in there for some super long range shooting?
survivalshop Posted January 16, 2012 Report Posted January 16, 2012 Its been reloaded , you can see the resizing & chamber marks on the case & of course the bullet , as said, is not NATO spec's . Could be some kind of wild cat round .The round , the way its set up , will definitely not chamber in a 260.
98Z5V Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 The round , the way its set up , will definitely not chamber in a 260.That's exactly what has me thinking it's the 6.5 Swede. <thumbsup>
Tripledeuce Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 It would not fit in a 260, UNLESS the 260 had been long throated for a heavy bullet. 160 grain and up are commen 6.5 bullets in many other countrys. A guy named Ken Waters, you may have heard of him, he wrote for both Handloader and rifle mags, came up with a 6.5X308 in the '60's he called the 263 express. He used a lot of Norma bullets he had that were .263" in dia. It's isted on page 356 of PO Ackleys book. Vol1 Also listed in " The Handloaders Manual of Cartridge Convirsions". Page 247. Respectfully Terry
survivalshop Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 It would not fit in a 260, UNLESS the 260 had been long throated for a heavy bullet. 160 grain and up are commen 6.5 bullets in many other countrys. A guy named Ken Waters, you may have heard of him, he wrote for both Handloader and rifle mags, came up with a 6.5X308 in the '60's he called the 263 express. He used a lot of Norma bullets he had that were .263" in dia. It's isted on page 356 of PO Ackleys book. Vol1 Also listed in " The Handloaders Manual of Cartridge Convirsions". Page 247. Respectfully TerryThat's entirely possable . The measurements are close to a couple of cartridges , but close just doesn't make it . Interesting though , isn't it ? I say wild cat of some sort & it may be a parent 7.62x51 case .
Dusty44 Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 Try checking the dimensions against those for a 6.5-08 Ackerly Improved?The Ackerly is a re-sized 308 Win/7.62 NATO case with a caliber 6.5 MM bullet. The Swede 6.5x55 is too long for our short actions. The Ackerly will fit because it is essentially the same length as the 308 Win. The 260 Rem is a better caliber because it does not burn up barrels. The Ackerly gives higher velocities but is very hard on barrels. Otherwise, the 6.5 MM caliber is popular in Europe. This cartridge is usually made from 308 Win brass because it is either not available in a factory loading or was not until very recently. I was skimming an article somewhere in a Google search tonight and was not really paying attention to the Ackerly. I was interested in the 260 which is another 308 Win derivative.
George Martin Posted January 24, 2012 Author Report Posted January 24, 2012 Okay guys, sorry for the delay, that coal mine is trying to work me to death on graveyards!!! <dontknow>After further rooting around in all this stuff I came across another box of the same ammo. Here are some pics, it's a .243 case, a 140 gr bullet and 43 grains of a cylindrical powder. what do you think?[img width=810 height=538]http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d83/Gungle_/DSC_0232.jpgCheers,George
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