98Z5V Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 This is news that should be reported by every major news agency in this country, ESPECIALLY right now. Hmmm... WHY NOT?! <dontknow>http://www.azfamily.com/news/Phoenix-homeowner-reportedly-shoots-and-kills-alleged-intruder-185438952.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 poop like that happens all the time brother,media picks what sells [bad gun news] not good gun news . >:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seasprite Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I'm glad the good guy wins this one but one of the statements just doesn't sit rite with me.QUOTE:As the man tried to get into one of the houses, the homeowner came out with a gun. When he spotted the suspect trying to break into the bedroom belonging to his daughters, ages 4 and 7, he started yelling.The homeowner told police the suspect started reaching in his waistband, as if he was about to draw a weapon. The homeowner said he felt threatened, so he opened fire."It appears that his intent was to defend himself and his family," Phoenix police Officer James Holmes said.This makes it seems that he went outside to confront the suspect. I don't know what AZ castle doctrine is like but regardless I wouldn't of went outside. If the window would of been breached somehow then its game on with 230gr hollow points.Even the statement from the officer doesn't sound convincing that they weren't getting the full story. Who knows I maybe reading something into it thats not even there or the the media worded it to make seem that way. I don't know I'm glad the family is alright though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt.Cross Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I'm glad the good guy wins this one but one of the statements just doesn't sit rite with me.QUOTE:As the man tried to get into one of the houses, the homeowner came out with a gun. When he spotted the suspect trying to break into the bedroom belonging to his daughters, ages 4 and 7, he started yelling.The homeowner told police the suspect started reaching in his waistband, as if he was about to draw a weapon. The homeowner said he felt threatened, so he opened fire."It appears that his intent was to defend himself and his family," Phoenix police Officer James Holmes said.This makes it seems that he went outside to confront the suspect. I don't know what AZ castle doctrine is like but regardless I wouldn't of went outside. If the window would of been breached somehow then its game on with 230gr hollow points.Even the statement from the officer doesn't sound convincing that they weren't getting the full story. Who knows I maybe reading something into it thats not even there or the the media worded it to make seem that way. I don't know I'm glad the family is alright though.You raise a fair point, but I want to ask you a question. Let's imagine that you hear a guy trying to break into your home, and you arm yourself. Are you not going to clear your home/property when you hear the bad guy abandon his initial approach? Why wouldn't it be natural to clear your property while you're still armed? In this case, the guy found that the bad guy wasn't giving up completely, but merely trying a different approach. As such, especially with children still in the home, he's justified in using deadly force, if for no other reason than the threat's persistence. My $.02 anyways. <dontknow> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 <thumbsup> :happydrunks: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt.Cross Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 <thumbsup> :happydrunks: <--- Matt falling off his soapbox... <dontknow> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seasprite Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 You raise a fair point, but I want to ask you a question. Let's imagine that you hear a guy trying to break into your home, and you arm yourself. Are you not going to clear your home/property when you hear the bad guy abandon his initial approach? Why wouldn't it be natural to clear your property while you're still armed? In this case, the guy found that the bad guy wasn't giving up completely, but merely trying a different approach. As such, especially with children still in the home, he's justified in using deadly force, if for no other reason than the threat's persistence. My $.02 anyways. <dontknow>The way our house is laid out I would move the kids from there room to our bedroom as I cleared the house so everybody is in one location now if he enters any other part of the house I know no family members are not going to be in the line of fire because there right behind me. By the time this happens the police should of been notified by my wife and on there way and I would let them clear the outside. This does leave a problem where the bad guy just moves on to someone else when you could of stop him and I live in suburbiea. If I lived in a rural area I could see my self going outside to clear the property when it might be an hour or more before help gets there. Maybe I'm just over thinking this I have that problem now and then. :cookoo: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 <dontknow>Nah, I should have used the 3-man version again - Rob falling down... ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Moral of the story is.....Don't be mess'n round somebody else's house or you could get seriously hurt.....or dead. Grand Juries appear to be seeing it that way more and more. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 AZ castle doctrine is rock solid for the home owner, an iron-clad diaper for libs to stew in their poop.Castle doctrine here covers your car, home, business, or property that you own or have legal control over. Illegal entry and attempted illegal entry are covered. What really gets their iron diaper in a bunch, into that section of the criminal code it states "For the purposes of this section, the person (meaning the home/car/business/property owner) WILL be presumed to have acted reasonably." That is a reference to the imaginary "reasonable person" standard.Tom should recall that early last year, Sierra Vista PD broke up a party. One of the young adults fled the party by hopping backyard walls. A homeowner heard a commotion, looked in their backyard, sees a grown man trying to hide. A limited verbal confrontation ensued, the homeowner felt threatened by an intoxicated intruder, and dropped him dead. No charges filed.The dead man's family then demonstrated why AZ placed the mandatory presumption of acting reasonably into our castle doctrine: great guy, wouldn't hurt a soul, worthless murdering home owner, those scuffles with the law last month were a misunderstanding, on and on.AZ's "stand your ground" law isn't that solid. You had better be able to show justification in your actions.Now, that being said, know this...when you splatter the brains out of the meth-head that has been awake for a week, after ripping your wife's blouse and bra off of her, his wretched stench polluting your olfactory senses for the rest of your lives, that isn't who you shot. You shot the Father of The Year, that volunteers at church feeding homeless Boy Scouts and their families, who had worked so hard to turn their life around, and would never ever ever under any circumstances hurt another life form.Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 The last paragraph was pure poetry. <lmao> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seasprite Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Yep I agree with that Jon there all just misunderstood :puke: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 also saw a story today about a school shooting broken up by an armed gaurd today also, but i cant seem to find the link anywhere now. why isnt this being blowen up like sandy hook??? oh yea cuz it would show the good side of guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK308 Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Its not widespread news because it doesn't oil the liberal machine.You just cannot trust the media to give a fair and unbiased account of what happened, not even Fox news. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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