BLKSHEEP Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 I've never driven through the South/West so this kinda shocked me. Do y'all have random checkpoints in the INTERIOR of your states? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_3dDNPwJTU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Only farther down south....last time I came across one was while I was driving to Bisbee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Yes, along ALL major routes that lead to the border. Or, should I say, FROM the border. The are along highways 90, 92, 82, 83, 19 between the areas or Douglas, Naco, Sierra Vista, Bisbee, Sonoita, Nogales, Tucson. Along I-8 coming out of Yuma. There are many. Those guys don't have an easy job. Shib, the one you hit sounds like the one coming out of Bisbee, if you were coming back up 90. There's no southbound checkpoint on 90, only a northbound one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNP Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 We have them on interstate 8, 5 north at camp Pendleton, 15 north between San Diego and Temecula. Both of those are way north of the border. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 IMHO, anyone that intentionally has a camera on them in order to record LEO interaction is someone that is either doing something to attract that attention, or provoking that interaction. Now, on the opposite side of that opinion, there are times when I've had interaction with law enforcement, and WISHED I had a camera on me... <lmao> Those border guys have a shitty job, working those stations. They have a legitimate job to do, and there are a$sholes everywhere. Whilst living in Sierra Vista back in the day, we had some very smart smuggler (human smugglers) avoid all local checkpoints, and instead come out of the mountains. They (the smugglers) caused one hell of a traffic accident, killed innocent people (an elderly couple), and killed several of their Smuggle-ees. There were 19 people in the Ford pickup, travelling at speeds exceeding 90mph, THROUGH town, and they lost control of the truck... Hard to find the real news story anymore, with the internet clogged up the way it has become - this was all caused by the desire to avoid the checkpoints, by illegals. Here's the details: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1247630/posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Not just FROM the border but the east/west corridors also, like on the interstate in New Mexico and Texas. Those are the permanent stations. They set up mobile checkpoints on the backroads too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 pass through three different checkpoints 2 or 3 days a week for work. they are pretty efficient. they are not overbearing. 99% of traffic gets a smile and a wave off. I certainly have no issue with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 (edited) Shib, the one you hit sounds like the one coming out of Bisbee, if you were coming back up 90. There's no southbound checkpoint on 90, only a northbound one. From....to.... don't think it matters. They didn't stop me. ("stupid asian guy...wave on through") LOL Edited May 29, 2014 by shibiwan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
392heminut Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Border Patrol is allowed to set up these checkpoints anywhere within 100 miles of the border. Living in the southwest I've passed through many of them, and the one between Deming and Las Cruces on I-10 well over 100 times. Nowadays the agents are pretty courteous but back several years ago it wasn't that way. I've had run ins with agents at the Sierra Blanca Tx. checkpoint and a temporary one on N.M. 26 (a shortcut from Deming to Hatch to get from I-10 to I-25) that left a really bad taste in my mouth. Being an active LEO and having a son and a son-in-law in the Border Patrol at both times, it would seem to take a pretty bad incident to piss me off but they managed to do so! Both the Sierra Blanca and Las Cruces checkpoints have caused traffic fatalities due to traffic being backed up onto the interstate and inattentive drivers slamming into vehicles that were in line! I'm sure there are probably more but for some strange reason these accidents get very little press. My son was originally stationed in Las Cruces and worked that checkpoint a lot and he and I got into a lot of arguments about what they did out there. He said that 4th Amendment rights didn't apply at the checkpoints and I argued that the only place the 4th Amendment didn't apply in this country was at Ports of Entry. He also admitted to me that the main focus at the checkpoint was NOT apprehending illegal aliens, it was drug enforcement. At that time the U.S. Border Patrol had absolutely NO statutory authority to enforce any drug laws and they actually had to call in another agency to handle any drug busts they made at the checkpoint! It was not until after 9-11 that the focus at the checkpoints actually shifted back more towards apprehending illegals, but even now the Las Cruces checkpoint has a drug dog sniffing vehicles as they pass through. After putting up with these checkpoints for 35 years I've gotten a bit of an attitude towards them. When I go through one now, they get one question, "Are you a U.S. citizen?" After I answer yes, any other question is answered with "That is none of your business!" To be fair it seems that the Border Patrol's attitude has changed a lot over the last decade, it's been several years since I was asked anything other than my citizenship. My opinion about the checkpoints? Shut every last phucking one of them down and put the agents back where they are supposed to be, patrolling the border and apprehending illegal aliens instead of impeding the movement of the citizens of this country for the sake of illegal drug busts and an occasional (for stats!) apprehension of an illegal alien at a checkpoint! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 I had one of 'em piss me off pretty good coming through the 90 northbound checkpoint. I was in uniform and not in a good mood. So, in military uniform, DOD sticker on the windshield of my truck, Vet plates on the truck... and this a$shole asked me if I'm a US Citizen. I couldn't contain myself. My blurted out shout/response was "WHAT DO YOU THINK?!" He put me into secondary, so I floored that truck, slid it into the secondary, and was out going for him as he was coming for me. He got the checkpoint supervisor pretty damn quick, and I let that guy have it, too. Found out that the original agent that asked me that was actually a Staff Sergeant in the Army Reserve - I lit him up even more when I found that out. His defense was that anybody could buy a uniform in a surplus store, put Vet plates on their truck, and fake a DOD sticker on a windshield. It got even more intense after that, and the supervisor got that guy outta there quick. It wasn't long after that incident that I had the Post Command Sergeant Major involved with talks with USBP about their procedures, being so close to a large military installation. That's the only bad incident I've ever had with them. Everything else has been smooth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
392heminut Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 (edited) This video gives a good look at the attitudes the public had to deal with back years ago, especially that the U.S. Constitution didn't carry any weight while in a BP checkpoint. Also, at 19:45 you hear the agent demand that the driver produce a valid drivers license and that he had the authority to do so because he is a peace officer. NOT true! The Border Patrol has a limited scope of duties and laws that they can enforce, and traffic is not one of them! The Border Patrol has absolutely no authority to enforce ANY traffic laws, none whatsoever! The agent tried to use the threat of the NMSP to intimidate the driver but yet no NMSP officer arrived before the driver was allowed to leave. Wonder why that was? Probably because the NMSP told the USBP to go fly a kite and deal with their own messes! <lmao> Edited May 29, 2014 by 392heminut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Shibi's multi-point solution to the illegal immigration problem. Build a fence, actually build three. Electrify the middle one. Beef up the CBP patrols to pick up anyone that makes it through. Impose large fines on employers that hire illegals. Establish a "work permit" program that levies the employer for each non-resident alien that is hired. Establish capital punishment for cross-border drug trafficking Funds from #3 and #4 will pay for #1 and #2. #4 will also help stop hiring of cheap foreign labor (e.g. H1B programs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 I agree with Larry...shut 'em down. I worked with a couple of Soviet dissidents back in 2004. Read some crap about the new DHS, so I asked them "What is the KGB?" After getting a detailed definition of "a$$holes", I clarified "What do the letters KGB stand for?" Bureau of Homeland Security. Welcome to Soviet America. As a kid growing up in Arizona, it was no issue for us to cross into Mexico and them to cross here. Ranchers cooperated according to where they could help each other out. The drug war has fubar'ed all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Shibi's multi-point solution to the illegal immigration problem. Build a fence, actually build three. Electrify the middle one. Beef up the CBP patrols to pick up anyone that makes it through. Impose large fines on employers that hire illegals. Establish a "work permit" program that levies the employer for each non-resident alien that is hired. Establish capital punishment for cross-border drug trafficking Funds from #3 and #4 will pay for #1 and #2. #4 will also help stop hiring of cheap foreign labor (e.g. H1B programs) There's a few problems with this idea, which basically explains why the fence isn't being done. The Powers That Be want a number of things. Three of these are: abundant, cheap labor; a pool of consumers as big as possible, and hordes of people who vote Democrat but are not required to prove citizenship or even identity. A tight border would not serve these needs very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 (edited) IMHO, anyone that intentionally has a camera on them in order to record LEO interaction is someone that is either doing something to attract that attention, or provoking that interaction. Now, on the opposite side of that opinion, there are times when I've had interaction with law enforcement, and WISHED I had a camera on me... <lmao> Those border guys have a shitty job, working those stations. They have a legitimate job to do, and there are a$sholes everywhere. Whilst living in Sierra Vista back in the day, we had some very smart smuggler (human smugglers) avoid all local checkpoints, and instead come out of the mountains. They (the smugglers) caused one hell of a traffic accident, killed innocent people (an elderly couple), and killed several of their Smuggle-ees. There were 19 people in the Ford pickup, travelling at speeds exceeding 90mph, THROUGH town, and they lost control of the truck... Hard to find the real news story anymore, with the internet clogged up the way it has become - this was all caused by the desire to avoid the checkpoints, by illegals. Here's the details: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1247630/posts I agree. I also agree that Temporary Checkpoints are dangerous as hell and have in the past been manned by guys with little experience at the large Checkpoints. Both Agents and Civilian have lost their lives at these things. The large Checkpoints do push large groups to the areas outside the check points where those crews track and apprehend the drugs and aliens. 392 is right the 4th Amendment is in full effect and as a general rule (although in some states they are) Border Patrol Agents do not have Peace Officer Status. Some states offer Peace Officer Status to Federal Agents, most often to Special Agents with full Title 18 and 21 authority. Peace Officer status and being a Federal Agent, IMPO, creates more problems than it solves. I have heard both sides of that argument and have yet to be convinced. I am willing to discuss those opinions in a different venue. The guys with the cameras are looking for attention so the best way to handle them is not give it to them on their terms. Edited May 30, 2014 by StainTrain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 (edited) If I were a CBP agent, I'd rather be chasing down the coyotes and illegals at the border rather than being stuck at some lame checkpoint in the middle of nowhere. ....don't know why that guy is all bent out of shape. He's obviously prepared to provoke a reaction, hence the camera. Leave them to do their jobs I say.... Edited May 30, 2014 by shibiwan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
392heminut Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 If I were a CBP agent, I'd rather be chasing down the coyotes and illegals at the border rather than being stuck at some lame checkpoint in the middle of nowhere. Shibi, most agents I know hate working checkpoints with a passion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 These checkpoints do perform a real function, too - on Hwy 19 between Nogales and Tucson. Surprised this made it through the Nogales border station - that's one tough station. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/20/mexican-drug-cartel-tried-to-smuggle-marijuana-painted-to-look-like-fruit/?intcmp=latestnews Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 That's awesome! I'm waiting for the day the cartel BP-painted pickup gets pulled over by ICE or some other agency. So far they've been busted with trucks painted like UPS, FedEx, DHL, utility trucks, DOT trucks...others I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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