Cali_Ed Posted June 1, 2014 Author Report Posted June 1, 2014 For the mean time no. But in the future I want to
StainTrain Posted June 1, 2014 Report Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) If you aren't going to hunt (at least for now), you aren't going to be shooting movers, and much of your work will be done from prone and/or bench (shooting for groups), my suggestion is get the extra magnification. I personally don't like that much magnification, but I hunt and animals don't always pose for me. Edited June 1, 2014 by StainTrain
Cali_Ed Posted June 2, 2014 Author Report Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) Thanks brother you have been a big help, any deals on father's day? This is going to be my first fathers day as a dad ha Edited June 2, 2014 by Cali_Ed
shibiwan Posted June 2, 2014 Report Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) Congrats on your first Fathers' Day! Check on the Viper HS-LR too - they are basically the Viper PS-T with the FFP but without illumination. I strongly recommend getting a milling reticle (MRAD/Mil Dot) in FFP if at all possible, and avoid the BDC reticles. Once you learn how to use the mil reticles they're invaluable! Edited June 2, 2014 by shibiwan
Cali_Ed Posted June 2, 2014 Author Report Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) I'll check it out thanks brother on both counts, I looked at the lr but it's 200 more which I still need rings/mount. So ill put that extra 200 towards that Edited June 2, 2014 by Cali_Ed
StainTrain Posted June 2, 2014 Report Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) My Vortex hook-ups are Liberty Optics, Colonial Armory, and Cameraland. They are all pretty close in price, I choose the one who has what I need in stock at the time. Call them up don't go through email or facebook. I agree getting a mil-dot or tactical milling type reticle is very sound advice. I would agree with the FFP if you meet the following criteria: 1. Have extra money to burn. 2. Going to participate in tactical rifle competitions. (positions, movers, ranging, etc) 3. Hunting in rugged country. If you are going to be killing steel or punching paper in the sleepy time position, then you really won't benefit from the FFP. The money you save can go towards ammo which will make you a better shooter if you practice your fundamentals. Edited June 2, 2014 by StainTrain
shibiwan Posted June 2, 2014 Report Posted June 2, 2014 Hey, you could get one of these....let us know how well it works hehe. http://www.cabelas.com/product/Hunting/Optics/Riflescopes%7C/pc/104791680/c/104752080/sc/104535180/Burris-Ballistic-Laser-Scope-II/1519082.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Friflescopes%2F_%2FN-1100055%2FNe-894%3FWTz_l%3DSBC%253BMMcat104792580%253Bcat104752080%26WTz_srn%3DBy%2BBrand%26WTz_st%3DGuidedNav%26WTz_stype%3DGNU&WTz_l=SBC%3BMMcat104792580%3Bcat104752080%3Bcat104535180
98Z5V Posted June 2, 2014 Report Posted June 2, 2014 ^^^ DAMN!!! That's one hell of a sale price on that!!!
Cali_Ed Posted June 2, 2014 Author Report Posted June 2, 2014 Thanks again brothers I guess I helps being about half you age (haha) ypu guys have undergone the trail and error for me lol just kidding
shibiwan Posted June 2, 2014 Report Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) ^^^ DAMN!!! That's one hell of a sale price on that!!! Yep... it has me wondering if I should just pick up one for sh*ts and giggles. Worst happens, flip it on backpage or something and not lose any money if I don't like it. Edited June 2, 2014 by shibiwan
Cali_Ed Posted June 2, 2014 Author Report Posted June 2, 2014 If I can sell some things before the 6th I can get the hst from midway for 514 with free shipping from midway. Fingers crossed haha
Rsquared Posted June 2, 2014 Report Posted June 2, 2014 Damn Shibi. Now you've got me eye-ballin that thing. It actually sounds pretty cool.
shibiwan Posted June 3, 2014 Report Posted June 3, 2014 Damn Shibi. Now you've got me eye-ballin that thing. It actually sounds pretty cool. See, I'm passing on my cheapassness to you. I'm waiting for customers to pay up b4 I decide if I need a new toy. :D
Cali_Ed Posted June 5, 2014 Author Report Posted June 5, 2014 Congrats on your first Fathers' Day! Check on the Viper HS-LR too - they are basically the Viper PS-T with the FFP but without illumination. I strongly recommend getting a milling reticle (MRAD/Mil Dot) in FFP if at all possible, and avoid the BDC reticles. Once you learn how to use the mil reticles they're invaluable! Hey bud what's the diffrence between the mad and moa version? I can only assume the little hashes? The cmr mad says 1/10th adjustments. Does that sound about right?
shibiwan Posted June 5, 2014 Report Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) Basically they are angle measurements. MRAD = MIL (aka Milliradians) -- that's the military/metric standard (6400 mils in 1 complete turn). It's also defined as 1 mil = 1/1000 -- i.e. 1yard @ 1000 yard distance, or 0.1 yds (3.6") @ 100yds, 0.5m (19.68") @ 500m MOA = 1" at 100 yds. e.g. A 6-ft man at 100 yards = 20 mils (or 20 MRAD) tall as seen by an MRAD/Mil scope reticle Same 6-ft man at 100 yards = 72 MOA tall as seen by an MOA scope reticle BTW, if the scope is NOT a first focal plane scope, you have to set it to the correct zoom factor before estimating ranges. This is usually max zoom or 12x zoom on some scopes. In a first focal plane (FFP) scope, the reticle zooms with the image and stays calibrated so you can estimate ranges at all magnification factors. Edited June 5, 2014 by shibiwan
Cali_Ed Posted June 5, 2014 Author Report Posted June 5, 2014 Wow thanks for the great info brother to bad we don't have a rating system!
98Z5V Posted June 5, 2014 Report Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) MOA = 1" at 100 yds. 1 MOA = 1.047" per 100 yards. Might seem like chickenshit to correct you with that number, but it makes a big difference at distance. Edited June 5, 2014 by 98Z5V
shibiwan Posted June 5, 2014 Report Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) 1 MOA = 1.047" per 100 yards. Might seem like chickenshit to correct you with that number, but it makes a big difference at distance. Chickenshit indeed. I use the MIL system. :D My brain is wired for metric. (BTW, 6283.185 mils in 360 degrees - rounded up to 6400 for US Military and rounded down 6000 in eastern bloc countries so you have to pay attention if you have an east german or russian scope with MIL hashes) Mr Ed - now, do you see why its worth paying extra for a FFP scope with a MIL-based (or MOA-based) reticle? Edited June 5, 2014 by shibiwan
Cali_Ed Posted June 6, 2014 Author Report Posted June 6, 2014 (edited) Yes I do haha thanks for the info and comedy hahaha. The ffp vortex is about 949. So the ffp is the mucj better then the second plane huh? Edited June 6, 2014 by Cali_Ed
shibiwan Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 (edited) ED YOU NEED THIS!!! <lmao> <laughs> http://www.amazon.com/Tactical-KANDAR-6-24x42-Riflescope-Flashlight/dp/B00EC9WW8S/ref=sr_1_61?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1402556793&sr=1-61&keywords=first+focal+plane+scope It comes with EVERYTHING!!! <lmao> <laughs> P.S. There's a non-illuminated Vortex Viper with FFP (Viper HS-LR I think) that saves you some money if you don't need the night capability. Edited June 12, 2014 by shibiwan
Cali_Ed Posted June 12, 2014 Author Report Posted June 12, 2014 That's crazy looking, besides the obvious diameter is there a diffrence between the 30mm and 1" tube size to considrr?
BLKSHEEP Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 Yes, the quality 30mm scopes will give you more elevation & windage adjustment/range plus better light gathering capibilities.
Cali_Ed Posted June 12, 2014 Author Report Posted June 12, 2014 Thank you sir, camberlandny has the hs lr for 699 for the demo price, anyone ever deal with something like this? Or just go new?
StainTrain Posted June 13, 2014 Report Posted June 13, 2014 (edited) Demos are not bad, but sometimes the savings is so marginal you are better off buying new. In this case, Cameraland is good to go and Vortex's warranty is solid so there is no way to lose. If you are convinced you want a FFP, I don't think you will regret going with the Demo. Edited June 13, 2014 by StainTrain
shibiwan Posted June 13, 2014 Report Posted June 13, 2014 Like ST mentioned, it's all about the savings. If there's a good discount, buy it. It's a Vortex. If it's f*ked send it back to Vortex and they'll send you a new one.
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