.308LiteHunter Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 I was lucky enough to get an Elk tag for this November,and I've been working on a load for the hunt. I'm going with 180grain Sierra Pro Hunters over 40.7grains of Varget. On a recent post Stain made a great comment (to paraphrase) 3 shot groups tell a tale, 5 tell a story, and 10 shot groups tell the truth. I shot this ten shot group about a month ago. First time I tried to write on the picture like this so hope it's clear. Rifle is a DPMS Lite hunter, 18" barrel, shot prone off a bipod. DMR trigger, which I sold a kidney for. I'm sure some of the group spread is because of inexperience with the trigger, proper shooting techniques etc. I don't have any training like most of you. I don't shoot 2" groups at 800 I am not a troll And I can't figure out how to use those $@$# emoticons anymore I'm here to learn from you guys, so be as honest as you want, if it's a $hit group and not worth more time let me know. Have a great Labor day weekend guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) How about this from a 300 AAC (reloaded 220gr subs) at 100 yards? I did lose count on these after 10.... :D Edited August 30, 2014 by shibiwan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.308LiteHunter Posted August 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) Nice shooting! Your going to have to give me the recipe for those loads. Thread jacker .... Edited August 30, 2014 by .308LiteHunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNP Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) Looks like ten shots that would be perfectly effective on an Elk. I would be happy with it. Edited August 30, 2014 by DNP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbasks Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 I put in wrong powder when I scribbled it in so thats y it looks jacked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.308LiteHunter Posted August 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Thanks, I'm happy with it for elk to. Looks like I should have reviewed my post. That was my 3rd attempt, lost it a couple times trying to upload the picture. I left out the most important part. What I would like to know is what can this grouping tell me ( in general,or specifically) about my barrel/shooting. The first 5 shots are good enough but the last part of the group is real loose. Do you think the last shots in the group are from the barrel heating up? Just looking to learn how to pick apart a string of 10 shots and learn from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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.308LiteHunter Posted August 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 ^^^^^^ Great shooting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbasks Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Good chance your last shots are shooter error. I experience it often. First few im like hell yeah im gonna have a new one for the wall! Then I proceed to poop out every technique ive learned and throw bricks down range. Orrr it could be a heat up but normally would toss em in a steady stream north Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbasks Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 My barrel heating up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Nice shooting, Bubba! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripledeuce Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) Not to knock Serrias, but I'v been watching, and taking, Elk for the last 25 years in the mountians of south west Colorado. Sierras either go completly through, like a solid, or destruct, nearly on impact. Use a PREIMUN bullett, Noslers, Swift, Barnes, etc. The bullet is a VERY small part of the cost of the hunt. It only makes siense to use the best. I'v shot literally hundreds of thousands of Sierras over the last 50 years. For accuracy, their the best. For hunting, not so much. Respectfully Terry ADD: Its the first bullett from a COLD bbl that matters! Not the tenth. Make sure you know where the FIRST bullet goes. T. Edited August 30, 2014 by Tripledeuce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warthog984 Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 How about this from a 300 AAC (reloaded 220gr subs) at 100 yards? I did lose count on these after 10.... :D What barrel were you using? What twist rate? Nice groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.308LiteHunter Posted August 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) Good chance your last shots are shooter error. I experience it often. First few im like hell yeah im gonna have a new one for the wall! Then I proceed to poop out every technique ive learned and throw bricks down range. Orrr it could be a heat up but normally would toss em in a steady stream north Yep very likely shooter error. Although those last shots did seem to climb a little, so maybe a combination of both? Thanks for posting the picture of your shot group as the barrel heated up, now I know what to look for. Were those pics from the same rifle? Heavy barrel? Edited August 31, 2014 by .308LiteHunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.308LiteHunter Posted August 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Not to knock Serrias, but I'v been watching, and taking, Elk for the last 25 years in the mountians of south west Colorado. Sierras either go completly through, like a solid, or destruct, nearly on impact. Use a PREIMUN bullett, Noslers, Swift, Barnes, etc. The bullet is a VERY small part of the cost of the hunt. It only makes siense to use the best. I'v shot literally hundreds of thousands of Sierras over the last 50 years. For accuracy, their the best. For hunting, not so much. Respectfully Terry ADD: Its the first bullett from a COLD bbl that matters! Not the tenth. Make sure you know where the FIRST bullet goes. T. Good to know. Guess I'll need try something different. Care to share your recipes for hunting loads? You are absolutely correct about the cold bore shot being the one that matters, I just want to see how a good of a group I can shoot with handloads, and learn from the groups I shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripledeuce Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) Try a 165g bullett with 40-42 grains of Varget. Respectfully Terry Edited August 31, 2014 by Tripledeuce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) Provided that you are doing everything else right, I would say that is poor trigger follow through and the attempt to drive the gasser like a bolt gun. I only say that because your first shots are good, then you pull right, then you go high. Not indicative of a hot string. Just my observation... And as stated, your rifle may not like that round the best. Edited August 31, 2014 by StainTrain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.308LiteHunter Posted August 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Try a 165g bullett with 40-42 grains of Varget. Respectfully Terry I've got some 165gr Hornady Interlocks. I loaded some of those up but early development didn't look good. However I'm sure they would shoot minute of elk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.308LiteHunter Posted August 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Stain. Thanks for the feed back. Could you elaborate on trigger follow through, sounds like something I need to figure out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Stain. Thanks for the feed back. Could you elaborate on trigger follow through, sounds like something I need to figure out. PM Sent. Let me know if you need pics or a video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) Provided that you are doing everything else right, I would say that is poor trigger follow through and the attempt to drive the gasser like a bolt gun. I only say that because your first shots are good, then you pull right, then you go high. Not indicative of a hot string. Just my observation... And as stated, your rifle may not like that round the best. Or he changed sight picture. 308LH, did you take a break (rest your eyes or something, maybe change/move your elbows, move body position?) between those major impact areas? 1-2-3-4 are good, same area. 5-6 moved right. 7-8-9-10 moved up. 3 major impact areas, something changed between the 3 of them. Edited August 31, 2014 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) ^True. That could certainly be it as well. Edited August 31, 2014 by StainTrain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.308LiteHunter Posted August 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Yeah, I don't normally shoot 10 round groups, usually 3-5. I'm sure that I moved around some. Probably all of the above. I remember during that outing that I had a piece of brass bounce off the leg of the table next to me( my Dad was shooting off it) and roll up on my arm burnt the $hit out of me. Might have been during that group can't remember. Either way I see what you are getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) It's hard to tell what it could be, just based on a target pic - some things are obvious, like verticle stringing due to breathing, though (not you, just in general). When you get down behind the gun, try to make sure that you do the exact same thing, every shot - it HAS to be consistent. Always fire on the full exhale - natural respiratory pause. Once you settle in and have your natural point of aim squared away, don't move - unless you check your natural point of aim again before the next shot. Trigger follow-through, every single shot. Same sight picture, same sight alignment (through a scope, you really don't have to worry about sight alignment). The things that will affect you everytime are sight picture, sight alignment, breathing, trigger control and body position. If one of those is different shot-to-shot, then your target will reflect it. And bees. Don't fuk with bees - get outta there. <lmao> Edited August 31, 2014 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Driving down the road today yellowjacket came in the window @ 40mph. and stung me right below my throat.That fukin hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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