My DPMS carbine weighs just under 9 lbs I pack this rifle in the mountains of idaho rain ,snow, dust, mud, I do not sissyfi my weapons they are tools they get carried on ATV's snowmobiles, etc at 9 lbs I do not kn ow you , but add a 60 lb pack, binos ,water and a bunch of other stuff and I will flat out tell you the last thin g you want is a 12 or 13 lb rifle forget the 20 inch barrel these things are pigs .....make it as light as you can.. I know from practical experience..