JT you beat me to it. I was going to suggest Shepp talk to you about it, as I remembered you had some. Had to take some Ibuprofen for my shoulder this morning. Even with a winter jacket, 180 rounds gets to you off the bench .0 F this morning.Indian Military surplus from 1979 on is the stuff to watch out for. It has been implicated in some bad accidents. Word is Winchester was contracted to build an ammunition plant in the early 1970's for India. When their contract expired in 1979 the Indian government took over production and the quality went straight downhill. Never heard any thing bad about Pakistani, but I haven't looked. The Indian Brass is thick, with reduced capacity because of that, so I reload it a little light to be on the safe side. Good brass though. That was really the only marginal ammo I had in my stash, so I will have to start shooting up my quality Mil Surp stuff now. Or just shoot my reloads. I am trying to talk a friend out of some West German Battle Packs for cheap, but those have an iffy rep. Apparently a couple of different corrosion causing molds have contaminated some of them. One doesn't do much harm, you just wipe it off. The other one though, eats right through the brass. If you ever see battle pack rounds with a pinkish color corrosion on them, word is to stay away from it.