beachmaster

After every shooting, and sometimes even when I haven't been shooting. I carried my rifle for hunting season, and now that you reminded me, I am about to go clean it. LOL (of course I didn't shoot it, I was HUNTING)

Hey guys and gals, please check out my new subforum in the manufactures section. I will be giving away a sling to show my appreciation, but I want some input on what rules should be emplaced for the competition. Please come on over, and stay awhile, I hope to keep the thread current and entertaining.

Hey guys, I just wanted to say that this is hands down the best forum that I am on, or have ever been on. I have received so much support from you guys, as well as valuable input. So I want to say thanks. To show my appreciation, I want to do a giveaway, but I think a competition is in order. Pictures must be involved, but I am looking for ideas. Some ideas that I am throwing around include- 1- show an unusual way that you had to use the sling in the bush 2-describe an unexpected way that one of my slings helped you while in the bush 3-show the kinds of abuse your sling takes while in the bush etc etc etc For instance, while unsuccessfully deer hunting this year, while climbing way up into a tree with my 308 on my back, I realized that I wasn't going to be able to get up on the odd branch that I had decided to perch myself on. So I was able to unbuckle my sling easily, rotate my rifle around, buckle it to the branch I was climbing onto, get onto the branch, then unbuckle my rifle and get myself situated. It was a sketchy and uncomfortable place to be, and while up there for a butt numbing 3 hours, I nearly fell probably 5 times without taking a shot... Anyways, the ability to easily take my rifle off and clip it somewhere else was a huge plus for me, and one that I had never expected. So I would like to hear your ideas about an appropriate competition. Ill post a picture of the sling that will be up for grabs when the guidelines are set. Please tell your forum friends, as anyone will be able to enter who wants to. A few words of caution. Don't hurt yourself trying to win a sling, regardless of what we end up doing for the competition, and don't do anything illegal, and tell us about the illegality of it. I don't want you to put yourself out there for one of my slings. Whether or not what you do is legal is none of my concern anyways ;-) A 308 Ar is not a requirement, but it would be cool to see. The only requirements are that there are pictures, a Beachin Tactical sling, and that you are a forum member. And that you have fun!

I don't know the whole back story on Troy, but what I did hear, I heard after I purchased my troy dioptic rear sight... which I do like, but half of it seems to be designed with a mall ninja in mind. That being said... I am torn on this rifle. I am pretty big on supporting companies I agree with, and boycotting companies that I do not agree with. That aside, a hot .22 pump sounds like a good time... but I can't help but think why you would take the time to make it look like an Ar... I mean, if form follows function, you could have given the rifle an ar firing group or controls, without trying to make it LOOK like an Ar, and saved yourself what... at least a pound or two? And I AM ignorant in this regard, as I didn't see the price, and I am choosing to not look it up, but would this rifle be a great beginners and young boys rifle if it sold on the streets for... $400? YES! As it stands, I am going to ASSUME that it will go for well over a grand... at which point, it looses its appeal to me. People in Commie states... Please, just buy the weapons that you have the natural right to, and let your govt know how you feel about them stepping on you. I would rather let my intentions be known as a Son of Liberty, than by allowing the Govt what it wants by bending the knee. Not to say everyone who buys one is bending the knee, or that in this case, bending the knee is wrong. Better to have this than nothing. It just isn't me.

The Ontario Sp5 Survival Bowie The Ontario Sp5 Survival Bowie first and foremost is a large, but nimble blade. The knife features a 1095 high carbon steel blade hardened to a Rockwell hardness of 53 to 59, and is ten inches long, .23 inches wide, and has an overall length of just over fifteen inches. The knife weights 15 ounces, and the sheath weighs 4.6 ounces, for a total of 19.6 ounces. The black powder coating is smooth in texture, and although the finish doesn’t tend to drag much when cutting, and it is tough, it can be stripped relatively easily if desired. Both the knife and sheath are made in the USA. (taking a break... caught in the act!) Out of the Box Out of the box the Ontario Sp5 is hair shaving sharp, evenly ground, and visually and aesthetically perfect, EXCEPT where the clip is sharpened. On both knives that I have, the beginning of the grind nearest the handle on the sharpened clip are somewhat different on either side. Not only that, but I noticed that the sharpened clips on both knives were a little different from each other. Both function perfectly, but the slight variation between the two knives COULD result in the occasional mistake. That being said, this is a VERY small problem on a production knife of this quality and price. Ontario named the Sp5 the Survival Bowie, so the tests that I conducted on the blade are meant to be in line with the types of uses a survival knife might see. These ranged from chopping, to batoning, to food preparation. My tests so far have been conducted over a period of about a month, and the knife retains the original edge. (I have not sharpened it) The knife will be rated on a 5 star system based on the knife’s performance and comfort. What better place to do a review!? Chopping I expected that the Sp5’s relative light weight would make chopping a chore, and would cause its user to expend a large amount of energy for the amount of work accomplished. I was definitely wrong. The 10” blade carried more energy that I had expected that it would, and the knife chopped like a dream. Another unexpected benefit was the comfort of the knife while chopping. I believe that the comparatively (to other knives of similar size) light weight and hidden tang of the Sp5 do a great job of dampening vibration while chopping. The handle’s slightly soft and tacky texture is comfortable, but it can create hot spots after prolonged chopping. A detriment to the hidden tang design can be long term reliability. It is possible, if not probable, that after a lot of use and abuse, the hidden tang can come loose in the handle. Although in a survival situation, this would not cause the knife to be unusable, it is an irritating problem. The nature of a hidden tang having a 90 degree corner going from the blade to the tang that is hidden in the handle is also a weak point. I have had a Sp5 blade come slightly loose in the handle in my experience, but on that note, that is where a good American company with a great warranty comes in handy. In my experience, in both hard and soft wood, the Sp5 excelled, although the lighter weight and blade geometry lend themselves to efficiency in softer wood. This knife is not the best chopper on the market, but considering the weight of the knife, for chopping I give it a score of 4 stars. * * * * Batoning The Sp5 Batons as well as one would expect a 10” long blade that is nearly a quarter inch thick with a full flat grind. There are stories that circulate on the internet about Sp5’s that have broken in the past from heavy batoning, and while I have no doubt that these accounts could very well be valid, I did my best to beat this knife as hard as I could while batoning with no failures of any kind. Some of the old drift wood that I batoned through was very, very hard, and the stick (more like a log) that I used was about 4 inches in diameter, and very hard. I hit the tip of the Sp5 with this stick absolutely as hard as I could repeatedly, and on one specific piece of hard wood, it took many, many hits to get through the wood. Some of the claims of the Sp5 snapping are surely based on the fact that the knife is comparatively narrow and light weight. While batoning through some of the more stubborn logs, while going through knots and twists in the grain, I looked at the top of the blade, and saw that it was actually bending and contorting with the grain of the wood. With such hard beating, I was a little worried that the knife would either snap, or come out the other side bent. To my surprise, each time after splitting the log, I was pleased to look at the knife, and see no damage whatsoever. Although the Sp5 is absolutely great for batoning, in my opinion, it does have a chink in its armor. The clip or swedge of the knife is sharpened along its 3.5 inch length. I believe that there is no purpose for a knife to have a sharpened clip outside of a combat specific knife. The reason is that it weakens the tip, it makes pull cuts dangerous, it limits fine knife manipulations, and most importantly to me, it weakens the back of the knife when batoning. Although my clip retained no damage, I was not filled with confidence when I was bashing it as hard as I could with another large piece of wood. The baton is a simple piece of wood you find lying around, so the damage the sharpened clip does to you baton is no big deal, but hitting a sharpened surface repeatedly like that could cause chipping, or even small stress cracks in the edge, that could weaken the blade as a whole. For batoning, the sharpened clip didn’t affect me at all (I can’t say the same for the baton I used), but I don’t like this feature regardless. Because of this, I give the Sp5 4 stars for batoning. * * * * Food Prep and Feather Sticks Any knife can make a feather stick or slice food, but some do it better than others, and the finer nature of work needed, the more a delicate well balanced knife will excel. The Sp5 is not a delicate knife, but its relative light weight makes finesse in all but the finest of slicing pretty easy. I did notice that while chopping food and making feather sticks, when I tried to make fine slices of food or wood, that I wanted to choke up the blade ALL THE WAY TO THE SWEDGE, which as I mentioned earlier, is sharpened. This made me uncomfortable to say the least. When you are surviving, life is hard, attention is divided, fine motor skills could be hindered by gross muscle damage, and the last thing I want to do is play around a sharpened clip while trying to do fine work. If I had to use the Sp5 for skinning, I would want to do the exact same thing, choke up all the way to the top of the blade, to make use of the wonderfully large belly of the knife, only to find my hand on or near the sharpened clip. For this reason, I give the Sp5 three stars for food and fine wood preparation. * * * Value This is the part of the review where I get really excited. Right now (December 3, 2014), at Thepreppersbunker.net, the Ontario Sp5 can be had for $55 plus shipping! For an American made, 15 inch knife, that has the capabilities of the Sp5, this is INCREDIBLE! I believe if you are pinching pennies, dollar for dollar, this is the most valuable knife on the market! I give the Sp5 5 stars for value. * * * * * Overall Overall, the Sp5 is a very capable survival knife that can be had at a very affordable knife, but it does have some issues. The edge held up very well throughout all of my testing, but I did have some VERY small roles that can be seen with the eye, and the knife would no longer cleanly cut paper. That being said, I was shocked at how long this knife held a good edge throughout the abuse that it saw. All imperfections in the edge from its use will be sharpened out easily, I have no doubt. I would like to see Ontario use a full EXPOSED tang, and get rid of the silly sharpened clip. Most people nowadays who are looking for a survival knife aren’t motivated by Rambo to do so. I hope. The knife isn’t perfect, but for just over $60 with shipping, it is hard to beat. Really hard to beat, especially when you consider that this knife AND sheath are made in the USA, and they are backed by Ontario’s warranty, which I can personally tell you, is great. The knife packs a lot of capability into a package that is comparatively light weight, comfortable to use, and comfortable to carry. The overall score is 4 stars. * * * * About the Sheath A common mentality when it comes to a value chopper/ survival/ camp knife such as the Sp5 is that if it comes with a sheath, consider it a freeby, and expect to upgrade. Although the Sp5 is no different in that regard, and the knife could absolutely benefit from a nice kydex sheath (which will most likely cost as much as the knife itself), I wanted to mention that I am in fact, quite impressed with the sheath that the Sp5 came with. There are none of the kung fu cool guy Chinese details that are poorly executed that I am used to. Instead, you get an incredibly simple knife with a belt loop. That is it. What I like about this, is that although you don’t have molly attachment points, or a cool guy survival tin storage pouch on the front of the sheath, this sheath does what a sheath is supposed to do very well, (which those Chinese made sheaths do not) and that is hold the knife securely, and safely. No rattling, no moving, no worries. I wouldn’t want to keep the sheath for a long term or life time option, but if I had to, I could. If you are buying this knife because you want as much American steel as you can afford, but you can’t afford to take away from your ammo money for a nice knife, this is the knife to get, and you can feel comfortable knowing that the sheath will do what it is meant to do well until you can afford to upgrade to a nice kydex unit. Please take the time to like facebook.com/thepreppersbunker to keep up to date with sales, reviews, and giveaways, and go to thepreppersbunker.net for the best deals and selection of high quality knives and gear such as the Sp5. 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I am glad to be here! I am hoping to get all kinds of stuff up tonight! You guys have been like family to me, and I am happy to contribute and take an active role! (Because I sure cant afford to keep up with everyone when it comes to actual 308 ar mods ;-)) I will have some new stuff up asap!

I have a ton left lol i have at least 5 New ones left, one like New, some barely used, and one used. If that makes any sense. :-) For a total of over ten

Here is my 590 project. Sadly, I wont be able to keep a bayonet for myself; I cant afford to!

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I think I looked into aimpro. They are the Mossberg specialists right? I thought about having them lengthen my forcing cone also. But I found a guy closer to me in Louisville, and he was definitely the cheapest person I found, if memory serves, and he did a great job. Nice old guy. If you would like I could find his info and pm you the info :-)

I have a 590, but I dont have a cool speed feed stock for it. I made mine to look like an old trench gun. I love the 590. I got the barrel threaded for chokes, so that I could use it for everything. Its my home defense/ clay pigeon/ rabbit/ squirrel/ bird/ turkey/ deer (if I have to legally)/ bear (again, if i have to legally) gun. I love it! Ill get a picture up with a bayonet when I get a chance to get a good one :-) if i blab anymore, I will derail my own thread!

If I were to break into a house (which I NEVER would) and saw you with the 590/ bayo setup, I think I would give you my money and apologize LOL

Alot of good info here Robocop, but I have to admit the biggest thing that i took from this is that a lobotomydoes not in fact fix a persons personality issues lol

I recently had a friend commit suicide in which the same thing (allegedly) happened! Blew half his face off, and when they got there he was still alive. The body is an incredible thing.

German WWII tech just astounds me. When the pressure is on, and you have some creative people, it is incredible what you can come up with.

The human body may not be like clay, but comparative data can still show a difference between two things. If i want to see if hitting a vehicle with a car or truck will do more damage, so I run into a brick wall, and one leaves a giant crater, and one a small dent, I can extrapolate which does more damage. I would also say that the mortality rate of women giving birth would be exponentially higher the longer medical attention is not available. Clearly some women can just give birth, and i am sure some people can just get shot. But at the same rate, if every shooting happened in a hospital bed, our ideas about what would be effective would be a bit different, as the mortality rate would be much more similar to that of giving birth. I about ripped my mom in half when I came out. She was in the marine corps, and she didn't get an epidermal. (Sp?) So she had to suck it up. I am sure being shot might have been somewhat similar for her in certain conditions, and in either scenario, without medical attention she would have died. Skin can only stretch so far. Some further than others. There are a lot of variables, to include chemicals, adrenaline, mission, etc. But I want an effective caliber, and if I want to see which caliber is more effective, shooting into some sticky mud/ clay in the ground isn't a bad way to compare. It doesn't have to be perfectly related to the body to be relative as far as comparing damage goes.

You know what is sad, is that is how the army has become too. :/ we spend a lot of time saying "pew pew" and there are so many rules during a live fire that you cant learn anything. Corruption always starts at the top. We are in a bad place.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/10/daniel-zimmerman/medics-advice-shoot-heaviest-rifle-round-shoot-can-hit-shoot/

"Knock down power" is not the ability to physically knock a person down, or send him flying across the room Hollywood style. There is a formula for "knock down power" "stopping power" or whatever else you want to call it, and it is much more complicated than the normal kinetic energy that we often see. In fact, kinetic energy can be a bit deceptive... This is why you can shoot a steel plate with more kinetic energy than a 45, and the plate wont go down, but the 45 will knock it over. This is why a 45/70 round, lobbed through the air like an artillery shell, even a 1000 yards, would still take a buffalo down. If I can find the formula, I will. But this is all much more complicated that the usual 9mm vs 45acp debate goes. I for one do not believe if you took 100 9mm shootings and EXACTLY replicate every other variable, you would end up with the same results. I do not believe the capabilities of 45 and 9mm at close range are as close as many would lead you to believe. I do not believe 50 cent would be alive if he were shot 9 times with a 45 of similar design to the 9mm that shot him (ball vs ball, hp vs hp) We often hear how far 9mm has come... this statement is odd, because it seems to signify that 45acp has developed less... Often, to find the best use for a particular projectile, you can look at its original purpose. 30-06- killing people 308- killing large game 556- killing gophers 45- killing people from a handgun 9mm- killing people from a sub machinegun So, if I have to pack something every day, it will be .45 or larger, depending on my environment, and my resources. If you give me a sub machinegun to clear a house... well then so be it. I would still choose something else personally. 9mm is popular for one main reason. The govt wants you to think that it is great. Why? Because they want to use it. Why? Because its cheap to buy, and requires less training, as it is really easy to shoot (aka its cheap) the failure rate of 9mm is ridiculous, from ball to hp. But the "FBI" statistics, which seem to change depending on what source you look at, dont show it. I wonder why? And the army is moving away from it. In fact, there is an army medic who has posted a blog about the hundreds of local national wounds he has treated, and I believe he states that a 9mm or 556 has NEVER in his experience, been responsible for the death of a patient alone. He said he even treated a point blank negligent discharge to a guys head, and the dude survived. What does that mean? Carry as much gun as you can afford to carry. Not financially, but size, weight, and depending on your circumstances, power. (Too much over penetration can be a bad thing)

Thanks! That is some incredible stuff!

He does not mean a miss as in a miss of the target, but as a horseshoe or hand grenade, if you are able to put a round near a vital organ, most likely the perp will go down. He isn't simply stating (I believe) that he realizes in combat you dont get to pin point exactly what you hit, you hit what opportunity gives you, with the best projectile you have, as many times as possible.

MaDuce, is there any written article that coincides with the video you posted? I am EXTREMELY curious as to what your talking about, but sadly, streaming video isn't really an option for me... :/

I want to see this, but I don't think that I should take my wife... she wouldn't appreciate it... lol

Sketch, I want to hear all about it! :-) Btw, I have a few Gen III 25 rnd magpul mags, and my Dpms GII likes them just fine.

For strength sake, I actually like the design of the first link you posted... I actually think that is kind of a good idea. A bayonet is made for melee combat, so it needs to be tough. I don't think I would trust that second design... Of course we could talk about the possibility of you using a bayonet, I realize that, but if you are going to be set up for it, it might as well work for its intended purpose. Thanks for posting those links Blue!