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30mm mount or 1" mount? I'm in. <thumbsup> EDIT - I'm an idiot - says 30mm right in the link! :o <laughs> I'm in, shoot me your PP info in a PM, and I'll get the bux out to you right away...

The "big drop" on this one came from this vid, more so than the product announcement. Dave Fortier is the editor of Shotgun News.

I think the news media has intentionally put the "American citizen" part of this "targetting" directly into the spotlight. That has alot of Americans either shocked, or just plain freaked out so bad that they don't know whether they've been shot, fucked, powder-burned or snake bit. Read into al-Awlaki's "US Citizenship" a little bit before jumping to the conclusion that he was just like "Mike Smith," generations-old American that was in your second grade class - this guy wasn't like that. He's Yemeni by blood, completely, and was simply born here, of Yemeni parents (100%). We'd be in an uproar if he was a Mexican Anchor-Baby - they're born here, within these borders, of Hispanic parents, citizens of Mexico, and not legally in this country (that's what Anchor Babies are). So, his parents were here legally, but were not US Citizens when he was born here. al-Awlaki was involved in: * Al-Awlaki was born in 1971 in the United States. In 1978, when he was seven years old, he and his family returned to Yemen. He then lived in Yemen for 11 years, and studied at Azal Modern School. * Al-Awlaki returned to the U.S state of Colorado in 1991 to attend college. He earned a B.S. in Civil Engineering from Colorado State University (1994), where he was President of the Muslim Student Association. * He attended the university on a foreign student visa and a government scholarship from Yemen, apparently by claiming to be born in that country, according to a former U.S. security agent. * He spent a summer of his college years training with the Afghan mujahideen. * Al-Awlaki was called an Islamic fundamentalist, and accused of encouraging terrorism. * He developed animosity towards the U.S. and became a proponent of Takfiri and Jihadi thinking, while retaining Islamism, according to one research paper. * While imprisoned in Yemen, al-Awlaki became influenced by the works of Sayyid Qutb, an originator of the contemporary "anti-Western Jihadist movement". He would read 150–200 pages a day of Qutb's works. He described himself as "so immersed with the author I would feel Sayyid was with me in my cell speaking to me directly". * He was noted for attracting young men with his lectures, especially U.S.-based and UK-based Muslims. * Terrorism consultant Evan Kohlmann calls al-Awlaki "one of the principal jihadi luminaries for would-be homegrown terrorists. His fluency with English, his unabashed advocacy of jihad and mujahideen organizations, and his Web-savvy approach are a powerful combination." He calls al-Awlaki's lecture "Constants on the Path of Jihad", which he says was based on a similar document written by al-Qaeda's founder, the "virtual bible for lone-wolf Muslim extremists". * Al-Awlaki allegedly spoke with, trained, and preached to a number of al-Qaeda members and affiliates, including three of the 9/11 hijackers, alleged Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan, and alleged "Christmas Day bomber" Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab; he was also allegedly involved in planning the latter's attack. * The Yemeni government began trying him in absentia in November 2010, for plotting to kill foreigners and being a member of al-Qaeda, and a Yemenite judge ordered that he be captured "dead or alive". * According to U.S. officials, al-Awlaki was promoted to the rank of "regional commander" within al-Qaeda in 2009. That's not all the stuff on this guy, but let me ask you all something - does that sound like a "US Citizen" to you? Really? Or, does that sound like a fucking terrorist? "Former US Citizen" would have been the very best way for the news media to describe this shitbag. He was killed in Yemen, and was being tried by his own country... Hmmm. As far as being in a country that we're not at war with - well, the War on Terrorism isn't against a country. We weren't at war with Afghanistan when we went after Bin Laden in October of 2001. We weren't at war with Pakistan, when we got him this year. This isn't about a country... Formulate your own opinions about the "validity" of this guy's US Citizenship. Whatever. Jump on the media bandwagon about the "targetting of US Citizens." Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and they can voice it - just do your own research, instead of following the poop that's put out through "news outlets" - that's sensationalism and ratings, at best. I'm off this soapbox - it's up to you guys to decide how to think.

<laughs> <lmao> <thumbsup> I've got something that may help you - excellent reference, right here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_282/186316_New_and_Improved_Guide_to_Building_a_Lower.html

There are two companies, that I know of, that already have these available - probably cross right over to these receivers. <thumbsup>

Damn Jgun, that's a nice rig, brother - really nice. <thumbsup> I think you just sold me on the Apex tube, too. I've got a Mega billet lower that I've been "storing," patiently, wanting to turn it into a 300BLK. I was kicking the idea around of the Mono upper to match it, but I'm also leaning towards the billet upper with another rail option. This just might be the option... ;D <thumbsup> That's a nice rifle, right there.

Not that, brother - I've had my eye on that shotgun!... :o ;D

They had a bad batch in the past that Kaboom'd an AR-15. Not really indicative of ALL their quality, but something to be aware of. Search results - but it's alot of dupes listed: http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=USA+Ammo+kaboom&pbx=1&oq=USA+Ammo+kaboom&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=2030l6493l0l6899l15l10l0l5l5l0l447l1815l0.3.2.0.2l12l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=bb5d7b1533420d98&biw=1280&bih=717

Damn, they were close, too. That sucks. :-[

Cali people - this is information you really, really need to know: http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf 2588_.pdf

Mega and Noveske, if I recall correctly. I can't find my Cali lower banned list to confirm, though... There are more... Edit - Yeah, the Mega and Noveske are good.

Major Jim - there's a few things in your post that I don't agree with, or are not accurate. I'll leave it at that, 'cause I'm not here to argue.

Atlantic Firearms are the guys that developed (or, at leas market) the AR Shotgun... I knew that name sounded familiar. <thumbsup> http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct1000.aspx There's another company out there that does an AR shotgun, but it looks like dogshit... Just sayin'... <dontknow>

Bump, for Columbus Day Sale details... <thumbsup>

JGshooter - would you like to get rid of that EO? I'd take it. Let me know, man, and we'll figure it out. <thumbsup>

Or, we found a Geissele... <thumbsup> <laughs>

Oh Snap! <laughs> I didn't even notice that it's now made for .308... I was looking at the pictures... <lmao>

This is deep, deep, deep stuff, and I think alot of that news article was based on speculation and not fact. From me, on this one, "No Comment." Just can't say it...

I've got a good idea, that does the same thing, doesn't mess up your wear-on-me mag storage options, and you don't have to buy more than one of them... Just sayin'... ;D

Well, my first opinion is that the video producer, and whatever military consultant they had (if they even had one) need their arses kicked - that guy was wearing a pair of jump boots in the vid. Anybody that has ever worn those bastards knows they're only good for one thing - shining up and wearing with your Class A's... :o

That was the ultimate hidden agenda, right there. Just, without the government "getting caught..." Sneak guns into Mexico, let the cartels do with them what they'll do, and eventually the guns get implicated again across the border - here. That jacked up hidden agenda was to show how "shitty" our gun laws are, since so many ended up killing people down south, and here, with the laws we DO have. If succesful as planned, or "dreamed" by these people, it would have been landslide-victory sized evidence to tighten things up even more... That's not conspiracy-theory stuff - that's what they were really trying to do... I need to go hide my dog now. :o

I don't know, brother - you'd probably like Roger in a pair of boxers, low quarters, and a light coat of CLP... Just sayin'... <dontknow> <laughs>

I concur, completely. <thumbsup> The one thing that keeps REALLY getting under my skin is how this current government even entertains the thought of adopting that pushy BS from the UN, over private gun ownership. There's only ONE reason for that - disarm the citizens of this country. I don't give a rat's ass about the gun laws of other countries, nor do I care to be "like them" in some plan for the "greater good." My constitution was written for the specific purpose that my country would never turn out like that...

DICK makes them, so I have my political reasons about them. I've heard they are fine sights, though. I wonder if he violated MagPul's patent on polymer folding sights when he marketed those?... <dontknow>

Damnit. As good as a step "backwards..." :(