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Cold-bored the mile at the last fall shoot. I know my gun is 16.9 mils of dial at a mile. Dialed it. Hit the 18" wide target 3" off the direct center of the target, to the left, first shot. Did it work? Was it within the 5.3" range that you stated? Yeah, It was... You were there - you saw it through the spotting scope... I think I controlled it. I'll accept payment once you get here - because I think you forgot about that one...

You do this in your head? Really, brother? I look at my scope, and it tells me what to do. The only calculation I need to do it in multiples of mil = 500 yards. It runs really smooth, in practical application, and it's pretty damn accurate, with 1/10th mil gradients in the scope.

What's your max error at a mile? It's a miss...

Math sucks, when you're shooting, and you have no time for calculations-in-your-head. There's no reason for it. When time matters. Why complicate it with MOA? It's much faster with Mils, and less thinking. If you're shooting under stress, eliminate as much thinking as necessary, and take the shot. That's why the military doesn't use MOA, at all... I'm just sayin'...

Call it 3.5, for 500 yards. Just to get it - 500 is easy. Call it 7 for 1k. How far will you be off, rounding up?... Asking for a friend...

3.4377...

If a man fills a mil, in my scope, he's 500 yards away. Range estimation. If he fills half a mil in my scope, he's 1k yards away. I got this... What's that for MOA, and range estimation? 500 yards is how many MOA away? I can do that math for you right now, and tell you - it's not a normal measurement, brother...

I never read about any of that, with any military snipers?... Oh yeah - that's your fallacy... that you tell yourself...

Come out here and shoot with me - I'll make it all clear, for both systems. The only cost you incur is getting here. The training is free-fiddy-free.

Because they have to. Because nothing really divides by 1.047-anything... "Honey, it's really not an INCH..." They just never get it quite right, tough, thinking "it's only an inch..."

God Bless Him!!!

... those are the ones that can't do math. Have to think in "inches" all the time, when they're "shagging that sister"... Can't comprehend a real scope adjustment, that matches degrees in a circle... I mean, shiit, how hard is it - there's 360 degrees in a circle... Artillery doesn't use MOA - it's not accurate enough...

That's exactly the bastardization that occured, and the military forced the scope makers to stick with a standard. One or the other. Mils won.

Nightforce makes Mil scopes - that's the ones that the military snipers choose. They leave the MOA to the civilians, though. The uneducated civilians. Oh, and the gamers. I'm just sayin'...

That's cute - @Belt Fed buy that for you?...

Here's another bit of information: https://taskandpurpose.com/gear-tech/762x51-vs-308-difference/ Any differing opinion should be taken up with the editors of Task & Purpose. Tell them that they're wrong.

Read this first before you want to pin that, for all the ages to come... https://sofrep.com/news/whats-difference-308-winchester-ammo-7-62-nato-not-think/

^^^ Those Arken 6~24 scopes (the SH ones in the model number) are pretty damn nice. I've shot the MOA one on someone else's gun, and I was impressed with it. Well, I mean, I felt dirty shooting an MOA scope, but the quality was there, and it's a damn good piece of kit. @Matt.Cross

I like it! We need to make this an Official Board Holiday. Everybody stay home and post it up on March 8th...

Rubbish. They don't know how WC is making their barrels, anyway. Aero sends out light recoil systems, and makes gas ports smaller to compensate for this - WC does the same on some barrels, but not all. Both my .260 Rem barrels had to go up in diameter, but the .338 Fed barrel was excellent. WC's Intermediate gas system is slightly longer then midlength gas. What I know for a fact: 18" midlength gas barrels with a 0.750" gas block journal diameter require a gas port diameter that's between 0.080"~0.085". You have a shorter 16" barrel, and a longer gas system, so that equals less dwell time. Your gas port will need to be smaller than what I listed above. However, you have an adjustable gas block , and you can always adjust the pressure down. If that was my barrel, I'd be going for something in the range of 0.075"~0.080" for a gas port diameter. On another note, always, always start a new adjustable gas block wide open. Can't stress that enough.

I'm using the 178 ELD-X projectile - it blows away the 178 ELD-M projectile - once-fired LC brass with CCI 200 primers, and Accurate 2495 powder. It's an amazing load. Through an 18.5" gas-gun barrel I'm getting 2530fps with 40.6gr Accurate 2495, CCI 200, 178 ELD-X, and it's the most accurate .308 Win load I've ever come up with. I worked it up specifically for that gun. The Hornady 11 Manual lists Varget starting at 35.0gr @ 2100 fps, ending 42.4gr @2450fps max load.

That's 2" over AR15 Rifle Length gas, right there. Every gas tube is 0.600" from the center of it's end gas port to the end of the tube (capped end), so that number can come in handy when ordering spare custom-length gas tubes. Dwell time on your 22" with Rifle +2 Gas will be the same as my 20" Rifle gas .260 barrel. It needed 0.080" gas port diameter to run right, with a 0.750" journal. You have the same dwell time, but up two sizes on the journal diameter. General rule is 0.005" port diameter per journal size, but that's a range, not a spec. Your 0.655" port diameter needs to be at leasy 0.070" diameter, but could run up to around 0.073" diameter. Drill the gas port up. The gun will run. Keep the gas block wide open for all the testing - maxed, wide open.

Alright already... I missed it...

I'm gonna pain the FUK out of this thing...