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Vicious wind shift, when you watch the dust in the video... Fukkin sucked... Totally missed the 10th round on the 75gr OTMs... Blew that shiit...

Started this just to see the difference between the impact of 5.56 ammo vs. 25-45 ammo. Had a temporary scope on the 25-45, so I had to zero the little bastard for that rifle. I had all good intentions of doing this prone, bipod, and slinged up, but I had to setup slightly uphill - once I checked targets again, there was a rise between me and the targets... So, improvise. I had to shoot this sitting, legs crossed, with the rifle on bipod, ON the range box. No other way to see the target, besides completely move everything. No one was there when I got there, initially - bunch of fuckers were there when it was time to pull the trigger for the first time. FUk me. After zero on the 25-45, I went to the 5.56 from the Mk12. 10 rounds of 55gr Hornady FMJ BT going 3100fps, then 10 rounds of Prvi Partizan 69gr OTM going 2855fps, then 10 round of Ultramax 75gr Heavy Match OTM going 2650fps. Rifle change and bipod swap led me to 20 rounds of the 25-45, 90gr SGK HPBT over 23.1gr RL-7, estimated 2815fps. The steel swings different on those last 20, and I've got some interesting pics... First round impact about 1:40 in the vid, so you can skip forward... I didn't shoot the GoPro. WAY happy about that. More to come...

You won't be disappointed, in the least - great choice.

You're looking at die sets. What reloading equipment do you already have?... More info from you, before recommendations are made.

You need to spill it - did you get kicked off ARF? How the FUK do you get kicked off that place?! You fukked around in GD, and got yer a$s sent to the Bear Pit, and lost. That's the only thing I can think of... Spill it. Spill it now...

Already happened. Didn't take long at all, but it already happened...

It's benign. He's such a dick that he had a penis growing out the bottom of his foot. It's benign, like his other penis... Joking, brother, joking... I know, I get the

I told you guys this shiit was gonna happen. I told you...

Just went with the .223 Rem/5.56mm trim length of 1.760.Since mine were all once-fired, I didn't even measure them before reforming into 25-45. I just reformed, loaded, and went with it, for this round of ammo. All fired brass I have on hand now, I will measure, and see how much they've grown after their first 5.56 fire, then this reform and fire. I'll report any weird shiit. After reforming into 25-cal, and after passing them through the resize/decap die, I DID inner chamfer them all with a VLD chamfer tool, before loading any powder or projectiles. That dummy round I made up showed some slight signs of copper shaving around the case rim. Solution was VLD chamfer. Not necessarily because it needs a VLD chamfer, but because that tool has never failed me on the 300BLK brass-making... Didn't outer chamfer at all. Went with it.

^^^ This right here is the critical part of what I found, what I came up with, and what will work. From loading 2.260" during an accuracy test, to loading live ammo at 2.260" into a 30-round mag... You didn't read that Mike. I wasn't looking for help, solutions, offers, advice - I was documenting what I found, and what I'm doing about it to solve the problem I found, already analyzed, and the solutions I already came up with. I wasn't asking for any help, Mike. And then, here you come. 6.8ammo, modified followers, only load a half a mag, feed lips, etc. That shiit doesn't pertain to this round, Mike. At all.

Fuckin still going, without reading, Mike. I AM calm, by the way - you just don't read, and it's pretty damn frustrating. My rounds cannot physically move forward in the mag. That's due to the loaded length. BASED on the loaded length, they are DRAGGING in the mag. Now,how the fuk are they gonna move forward, when they're physically LONGER than mag length?... Riddle me that one... Go read my shiit again, Mike. For what it's worth, you NEVER gave up comparing it to the 6.8 - you kept going on the 6.8 up until right now, in your last post. I'll quote your shiit for you if you want to read it all in one post...

It won't be suppressed, but it'll have a mini red dot. For damn sure.

I don't give a shiit - I'm either borrowing Dirk's Cricket, or I'm buying one. This is gonna be a new challenge task...

You'll either pull out a 2-piece ejector, or a 2-piece ejector spring...

FWIW, in continuation with the thread now, I didn't have one single functional issue with the Lancer L5AWM 20-rd mag, the Gen 3 5.56 PMag 20, or the slightly tweaked Gen 2 5.56 PMag 20s. All fed reliably, functioned the rifle, and locked back on the last round - with my loads (now) at 2.255" COL. I didn't try the Lancer 30, based on what I saw at home. For the record, I didn't try any 30-round mags...

Okay, riddle me this one - 300BLK with a big fata$s 150gr FMJ round in there, and I don't have to fuk with the feedlips on the standard AR15 magazine to get all off them to work perfectly. Perfectly. Never had an issue with a .308" diameter bullet... Now, why, all of the sudden, are those same magazines gonna have an issue with a .257" bullet, Mike? Short answer is, they aren't gonna have a feedlip problem in those magazines. You're trying to relate what happened with you, with 6.8SPC and AR15 magazines. Follower change, can't load to full capacity because the case is larger in diameter, etc. That shiit ain't the same here, with this cartridge, Mike. You are literally comparing Apples and Hammers here - NOT Apples and Oranges. They're not a little bit different - they're on different planets, man. I'm trying to tell you that, and you keep pushing what you think you know. It's different, whether you want to understand it or not, man.

It's not insite, brother - it's comparing apples to hammers, on your part. Different cases, completely. I'm running a 5.56 case, you're running a big fata$s case that needs to have the magazines modified in order to run it in the AR15 platform... Apples to Hammers...

Ammo performance test gettin' ready to go down on steel, as well as the magazine test on these handloads. 5.56 gun is the Mk12, 18" barrel vs. the 25-45 with 18" barrel. Should be pretty similar, and only show how hard the rounds hit. Back in several hours with some video, men. I hope I don't shoot my GoPro...

Not the case at all, with this round. The parent case is .223 Rem, the projectile isn't even as large as 300BLK, which seats 30 in a 30, and 20 in a 20, just fine. Your issues with 6.8 SPC and AR15 mags ain't the same as the issues with my loading length, and what these magazines will hold... 6.8SPC vs. .223 Rem:

That Vortex isn't gonna give you any issues, that's for sure - but I'd be interested, now, to see if you get some weird groups. It will be from velocity differences from the ammo, with the projectiles seated to various depths, after chambering.

Yes, gotta be. That's a short bullet. Might be that the hollow point is so large, that IT is what's rubbing the inside of the magazine, too. I have a feeling I'm gonna be duplicating all my load testing at 2.250" COL...

Makes me happy to see another .338 Fed going together!

They'll shoot, and I don't think they're gonna cause you pressure issues that would harm you or the gun - I'd just shoot 'em all up. I wouldn't use them to zero my scope, though. Try them out for accuracy and see if they shoot tight groups, or if they're all over the paper. THAT would be a decent test, and interesting results.

Interesting, interesting, interesting... So, in the load testing last weekend, I only had 5 rounds in a mag at a time... So, I just finished loading another 100 rounds of 90gr SGK BTHP, 23.1gr RL-7, once fired PMC Bronze cases. Set them all at 2.260" again. Grabbed up my Lancer L5AWM FDE 30-round mag, and proceeded to load it up full. No go. With about half a mag full, it got tight, and I kept shoving rounds in there anyway, until I got to 30. They were tight in there. So, I strip them out, one by one. With about half a mag left to go, the follower stopped and I took the mag apart to get the rest of them out - 2 were stuck in the middle, and I smacked the mag body on the counter to get them out. I grabbed out ANOTHER of the same mag, same results... Fuk. Alright, I'm thinking... I effed up this load, and they're too long... Measure them ALL - either 2.260" or 2.259". Conclusion? Lancer L5AWM might be 2.272" at the mouth of the mag, but that fucker tapers down in the middle. Solution? Resize all the loaded ammo to 2.255". Done. Now, I go to load up that Lancer 30-round mag again - it was getting tight in the middle again, but it was easier to load. I stripped them all out, and they all came out, but somewhere around the middle of the mag, I had to give the mag a smack to get that next round up to the feedlips and strip it out. It was only a couple times. That's a big no-go in my book, if they're not gonna feed reliably. Solution? Downsize the ammo again? Maybe. I need to seat it all shorter, until all the rounds feed, and THEN duplicate the load testing again, at shorter seated lengths. Fuk me... Or, try a Lancer 20-rounder. Okay, I did that, and the rounds are kinda tight in there, but they all stripped out okay, even loaded now at 2.255" COL. I'll shoot that mag and see if rifle recoil is enough to keep bouncing them all up to the top... Hey, there's a Gen 3 PMag 20 - load it all up fine, they all strip out easily - like normal. Testing that one today, too. Oh, there's 2 x Gen 2 PMag 20 - let's load 'em. Okay, issues in one, but not the other... Hmmm... Look at them closely, and see what it is - bumps on the sides of the mags, at the top, and the little protrusion that separates rounds at the top of the mag. "Massage" them a little with the knife, and they load and strip just fine. So, interesting development with the .257 ammo loaded up to 2.260" now 2.255" here, and magazine choice... I'll figure all this out, and report back with range results, and magazine pictures showing what's up.

That's the Power-Shok hunting ammo. There's a whole bunch online about the crimping of that stuff.