suzukiray Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 This is the .308 lower I bought & will finish this coming Friday, along with at least 3 other AR15 lowers also. It will be my first 308 build & I want it to be a 1000-1500 yard gun but don't want to spend 3 grand building it! I am open to suggestions & will buy my stripped upper next if I can get a decent idea on what to get. I am also building my son's first AR15 & am building a brown AR15 for myself. I am open to suggestions & welcome your opinions. Thanks, Ray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
392heminut Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 That's a nice looking non-firearm Ray! I'm looking forward to seeing the finished product. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzukiray Posted December 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 (edited) Thanks 392! I got it for a hundred bucks at a gun show here & figured I couldn't go wrong at that price for a billet lower. Which upper should I look at buying to work with this? Ray. Edited December 23, 2014 by suzukiray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Thanks 392! I got it for a hundred bucks at a gun show here & figured I couldn't go wrong at that price for a billet lower. Which upper should I look at buying to work with this? Ray. What manufacturer is the 80% lower ? It is a good idea to stay with the same manufacturers receivers , upper & lower , less chance of tolerance stacking between components . I have a Tactical Machining Upper receiver on my DPMS lower receiver & it works fine . Not a tight fit , but a good one . I think a tight fit of the upper & lower is over rated . 1500 yards is stretching the 308 a bit . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzukiray Posted December 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 www.vytamenctactical.com is where I got this lower. I just got off the phone with them & they have a billet upper receiver for it also. Their upper receiver does not have or use a forward assist or dust cover door. Is this kind of strange? He said most 308s aren't used for assaults "from the beach", & go from the bag to the table & back in the bag most times. Does this sound reasonable or do I need to look for a different upper that is more traditional? Ray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
392heminut Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 My DPMS 308 doesn't have a dustcover or forward assist. It hasn't caused me any problems. I quit putting forward assists on my builds starting with the 300 BLK. I built a while back, if there's a place for them on the upper I use one of these; http://www.midwayusa.com/product/198053/schuster-forward-assist-plug-delrin-ar-15?cm_vc=ProductFinding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueblerking Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 Ray, starting a similar build and straying from the manf of my lower to find an upper. I may hate myself for it...and I may console myself by building a second riffle. I like a dust cover. Meh on the forward assist as a must have. I'm concerned with a solid fit as well. 80% arms lower. I've pretty much landed on a complete upper from Fulton Armory. For fit, I'm thinking I may require an acuwedge or JP tension pins. 382, any thoughts on the use of those for fit? A friend of mine is an avid long range shooter. His first advice was to buy a bolt gun. After that long discussion, his second advice was to not skimp on trigger or barrel (he liked both of JP's products, but those took too much of my budget). Lastly, he's a big believer in the adage of spending as much on glass as you do the gun. I'll fall short of that, but my rough budget at this point is apx 1800 on riffle & 700-1000 on scope. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
392heminut Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 If you're asking about the accuwedge, I've got them in a couple of my rifles. I like how they snug up the fit and they don't cost much. If you don't like it you're not out much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 www.vytamenctactical.com is where I got this lower. I just got off the phone with them & they have a billet upper receiver for it also. Their upper receiver does not have or use a forward assist or dust cover door. Is this kind of strange? He said most 308s aren't used for assaults "from the beach", & go from the bag to the table & back in the bag most times. Does this sound reasonable or do I need to look for a different upper that is more traditional? Ray. The Forward assist on most DPMS type uppers is not like the AR 15/16/M4 rifles , it works , well some what works , like the last 1/8" it will hook up . I have dust covers on all my AR's & one of my 308AR's doesn't have a Forward assist ( Tactical Machining )& have no function problems . As said by some here before , if your 308 AR fails to feed , you have other problems & the Forward assist will not be much help . What does "Assaults from the Beach have to do with anything ? The Dust cover is just that , a dust cover & I have never used the F/A on my 308 AR's , not much help any way.There are manufacturers making Bolt Carriers & Upper receivers to function just like there little brother AR 15 Family ( Areo ? ) I believe you should only get receivers as a set , Upper & Lower by the same manufacturer & any more , I only will use sets from manufacturers that make complete rifles also , so you know they have a good chance to work together . I don't have the machinery available any more to do a 80% so can't help you there or how the finished 80% will function or co-function with other manufacturers Upper receivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzukiray Posted December 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 Ok guys, not a 308 but here is the new problem: I bought a KILLER deal (maybe not after all!) on a 5 pack of 80% lowers & the jig for $299.00. I machined 2 of the lowers on Friday, with THEIR jig, on a GOOD mill. After putting the pins in to hold the upper & lower together, there is a gap almost .060, between the lower & upper, I can see through! Nothing I machined did this, I believe their pin holes are off at least .040. I just talked to Dirk & he said the gap isn't uncommon. I'm sorry, I build race engines & machine stuff in tenths of thousandths, so this is UNACCEPTABLE to me!! Am I being too critical or is this just the way this crap is made? Is this what I have to expect with 80% lowers, that they don't care about their QC? Also, their jig was to narrow after the trigger pocket was cut & I had to open it up another 10 thou, 5 thou per side, just to get the trigger down where it was supposed to be. Is it just this company, Vision Armory AR 15 Parts, or am I going to have to stop buying 80% stuff? I am new to this so just sharing what I am dealing with. Ray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgecrusher Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 I never heard of them so it could be the company, but I've been weary from the start with all the start up companies selling this stuff. Not to mention most people don't realize these are completely illegal until they are registered with the ATF when they are finished. I can't tell you what to do, but if a deal is too good to be true, it usually is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzukiray Posted December 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 Sorry Edge but the 80% stuff is NOT illegal & does NOT have to be registered as it is "Home Built". Ray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgecrusher Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 It doesn't when you make it into a firearm? Seems to be skirting the line.the more I read about them, the more I think they will pull a 180, like with what they are doing with pistol braces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
392heminut Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 Greg, the 80% lowers are legal if you complete the machining yourself and use it to assemble a firearm for your own use. As long as you retain ownership of it it is legal. It doesn't even have to have a serial number! If you want to transfer it to another person I believe you have to engrave your name, location and a serial number on it and submit a form to the ATF, much like you do when you manufacture an SBR. I am not positive on that last part but that is the way I understand it. Shibi might be able to say for sure since he has a manufacturer's license. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 ^ that's how I understand it. What's the deal with pistol braces? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzukiray Posted December 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 I was ready to ask that too. And PHVCK the ATF!!! Sorry, cops are ok but the gvrnmnt SUCKS!!! Ray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgecrusher Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 Last I read they are saying that shouldering the brace is the same as using an sbr, and since they can't dictate how it can be used, it may get banned. Their point was the pistol is defined as one or two hands to fire with the absence of a stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
392heminut Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 There's a lot of different views on that newest letter on the SB-15.brace. Some fukhead wrote the ATF and asked if he could build an AR pistol with a brace and then shoot it from the shoulder. The general consensus so far is that he is building the pistol with the INTENT of using the brace to shoot it from the shoulder as a rifle, and that is why the letter advised him he would be in violation if he did so as he was creating a SBR. Another view on the situation is that the letter only applies to the person to whom it is addressed. It's a can of worms for sure, but I have no intention of removing my SIG brace and just got another barrel to build another pistol which will also have the SIG brace on it. There's about 6 pages of discussion on this over at arfcom in the AR-15 Pistol section that is worth reading. Lot of good points made on the whole situation in the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzukiray Posted December 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 Thanks 392! Good info. Ray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonfalcon07 Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 That's what I read too. That guy was an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 1500 yards is stretching the 308 a bit . Gonna be around 95 MOA of drop at that range, with a 175gr projectile. Will be very hard to get anything heavier loaded to magazine length. That will (at least) need a mount with 20 MOA of drop, probably 30 MOA of drop, and a scope with ALOT of internal elevation adjustment. It'll hit the target like a pellet gun. Exaggeration, a little, but it's not gonna get there with much energy. SIG Brace stuff: That's what I read too. That guy was an idiot. No kidding. When a determination letter is made, just leave the letter alone. The more idiots that write in, and ask "more specific" questions about a determination - the more determinations you have. You send something nit-picky and detailed, and your response will be as such. Nit-picky and detailed. And you'll FUK everybody else that was just fine with the original determination by Tech Branch, BATFE. Stupid fuckers out there, and we can't do anything about it. Darwin is drawing Unemployment and Obama Benefits, and just doesn't give a $hit about his job anymore. We can't count on Darwin, in this day and age. We can't stop the idiots - we can only hope to contain them. <dontknow> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzukiray Posted December 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 So, a thousand yards is more realistic? Or even less? Ray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 I think it was only a matter of time before the ATF rethought the Pistol brace , doesn't surprise me in the least . 800 yards & 1K with a lot of practice , of course the Barrel , Trigger & ammo have a lot to do with it , but I believe its the shooter that will put it all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 300 Win Mag will get to 1,500 yards - accurately, and with a decent amount of energy. 1k yard shots with the .308 are definitely doable, once you get your elevation. Checking and adjusting for the wind is tougher the longer you go - that's the hardest part. There's a big difference in 800 yard and 1,000 yard shots. That additional 200 can be a beitch. The cartridge will certainly do it. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzukiray Posted December 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 Ok, now back to the space between my lower & upper receivers on the 80% 223 stuff please??? Anyone got answers for that one? Ray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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