82HALO Posted January 18, 2016 Report Posted January 18, 2016 Does anyone know where to get ones of these or who makes one? I need to lap my Aero m5, its extension is to long!
Toolndie7 Posted January 18, 2016 Report Posted January 18, 2016 What exactly are you trying trying to lap? and how much material are you trying to remove?
unforgiven Posted January 18, 2016 Report Posted January 18, 2016 If its a stock setup from Aero why not send it back istead of spending you'r own money ???
survivalshop Posted January 18, 2016 Report Posted January 18, 2016 Does anyone know where to get ones of these or who makes one? I need to lap my Aero m5, its extension is to long!Need more info on what is too long . Barrel Extension , Receiver Extension ?
82HALO Posted January 18, 2016 Author Report Posted January 18, 2016 Hey guys,I need to lap the receiver extension, it is a little to long. From what I've read Aero's are known for this. I am mating a Faxon barrel to it with a Fortis Switch hand guard. When I put it all together there is a gap between the Fortis and the Aero upper about 1/8", also the barrel pin is about 1/16" from fully seating in the extension. The barrel extension does not reach the feed ramps also, there is a small step from the receiver ramps to the barrel ramps, looks to be about the 1/8" I need. Thanks
Toolndie7 Posted January 18, 2016 Report Posted January 18, 2016 Hey guys,I need to lap the receiver extension, it is a little to long. From what I've read Aero's are known for this. I am mating a Faxon barrel to it with a Fortis Switch hand guard. When I put it all together there is a gap between the Fortis and the Aero upper about 1/8", also the barrel pin is about 1/16" from fully seating in the extension. The barrel extension does not reach the feed ramps also, there is a small step from the receiver ramps to the barrel ramps, looks to be about the 1/8" I need. ThanksYour not gonna lap off that much material without screwing it up. The barrel itself is fully seated but nothing lines up? Any chance you can post a picture?
82HALO Posted January 18, 2016 Author Report Posted January 18, 2016 everything lines up, just doesn't fully extend into the receiver. I will take some pictures, but, never posted them before and not sure how to!
survivalshop Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) The important thing is , is the Barrel Extension seating Flange , fully seated against the Face of the Barrel Nut Threads on the Receiver ? The Upper Receiver may not be a M4 type as you may be used to , there will be a transition area . You need to check the Extension Flange & make sure its seated. If it is , assemble , Check Head Space & do a Function test with a Dummy round . Photo's, as said , would help Edited January 19, 2016 by survivalshop
392heminut Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 If you set the barrel back 1/8 inch you could also run into a problem with the back end of the bolt carrier sticking out from the back of the upper receiver too far.
82HALO Posted January 19, 2016 Author Report Posted January 19, 2016 Yep the flange is flush against the receiver extension and it is an m4 receiver. Will try to get pictures when I get back home!
82HALO Posted January 19, 2016 Author Report Posted January 19, 2016 If you set the barrel back 1/8 inch you could also run into a problem with the back end of the bolt carrier sticking out from the back of the upper receiver too far.That is another thing I was thinking, besides it looking ugly!
82HALO Posted January 19, 2016 Author Report Posted January 19, 2016 Also the barrel extension pin is about 1/16" from being fully seated in the receiver slot.
survivalshop Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 Also the barrel extension pin is about 1/16" from being fully seated in the receiver slot. That in itself means nothing if the Flange is seated . Have you fully assembled this firearm & there was a problem or is this your observations , just test fitting the Upper ? The Fortis hand guard gap is a separate issue . You may have to fully assemble & torque the barrel nut , to see if the gap reduces or is eliminated . Someone here I'm sure has used this Hand guard & will know . Some hand guards do not seat fully against the Upper Receiver & some like the older JP hand Guards , say not to seat them against the Upper Receiver . The photo's I see on various rifles , show a slight gap between the Hand Guard & Upper Receiver .
slugger43 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Posted January 20, 2016 http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/rifle-tools/receiver-tools/ar-15-m16-upper-receiver-lapping-tool-prod20220.aspxThis one is available for AR-15, but I don't think they have one for a .308. I've used this one a couple of times, on AR-15s, and it works great, but mainly just for truing up. I'm not at all certain shaving a bunch off the length of the receiver extension with a tool like this - or any other tool, is a good idea, as noted by others.
Matt.Cross Posted January 20, 2016 Report Posted January 20, 2016 Based on your description, your barrel extension could also be off spec. If the shoulder is set back too far, it would explain quite a bit of your issues. Not saying that's the issue, but it would be on my list of possible suspects.
Toolndie7 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Posted January 20, 2016 Maybe there is a market for "308" lapping tools,I haven't really seen any. Might just make a few...
planeflyer21 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Posted January 20, 2016 Maybe there is a market for "308" lapping tools,I haven't really seen any. Might just make a few...I like your initiative my man!
shepp Posted January 20, 2016 Report Posted January 20, 2016 Yep the flange is flush against the receiver extension and it is an m4 receiver. Will try to get pictures when I get back home!If you have issues with posting pictures send me a pm and I'll help you out
survivalshop Posted January 20, 2016 Report Posted January 20, 2016 Maybe there is a market for "308" lapping tools,I haven't really seen any. Might just make a few.. Has anyone tested to see if there is any difference between a lapped & non-lapped Receiver ? As far as how the Rifle shoots or operates . If there is an issue with this rifle as far as the Barrel Extension ( doubtful ) a lapping tool would not help .
82HALO Posted January 20, 2016 Author Report Posted January 20, 2016 That in itself means nothing if the Flange is seated . Have you fully assembled this firearm & there was a problem or is this your observations , just test fitting the Upper ? The Fortis hand guard gap is a separate issue . You may have to fully assemble & torque the barrel nut , to see if the gap reduces or is eliminated . Someone here I'm sure has used this Hand guard & will know . Some hand guards do not seat fully against the Upper Receiver & some like the older JP hand Guards , say not to seat them against the Upper Receiver . The photo's I see on various rifles , show a slight gap between the Hand Guard & Upper Receiver .yes, I did assemble the rifle, and noticed all these issues. I know the hand guard is cosmetic, but it looks like crap! I did torque the barrel nut and the gap did not close. It seems hit and miss on other forums other guys have the same issue, and others mate up perfectly! I've put together enough ar's to know this is a large gap!My main concern though is the 1/8" step from the receiver feed ramps to the barrels feed ramps!
82HALO Posted January 20, 2016 Author Report Posted January 20, 2016 Based on your description, your barrel extension could also be off spec. If the shoulder is set back too far, it would explain quite a bit of your issues. Not saying that's the issue, but it would be on my list of possible suspects.I was wondering that as well. Another guy had his flange turned down, originally was,125" and turned it down to .121". My flange measures. 135".
82HALO Posted January 20, 2016 Author Report Posted January 20, 2016 If you have issues with posting pictures send me a pm and I'll help you outthanks, I will! If I can get back home before the big storm hits this weekend!
Toolndie7 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) If there is an issue with this rifle as far as the Barrel Extension ( doubtful ) a lapping tool would not help .This has already been established. Has anyone tested to see if there is any difference between a lapped & non-lapped Receiver ? As far as how the Rifle shoots or operates . Given the popularity of the AR15 lapping tool I'm sure people would be interested in the 308 version.Squaring the mating face of the receiver in relation the the bolt carrier is certainly not going to hurt.An added benefit to some is the ability to take off just a little to help with torquing that barrel nut into the sweet spot. Now back to brother 82Halo's current problem. Edited January 20, 2016 by Toolndie7
survivalshop Posted January 21, 2016 Report Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) This has already been established.Given the popularity of the AR15 lapping tool I'm sure people would be interested in the 308 version.Squaring the mating face of the receiver in relation the the bolt carrier is certainly not going to hurt.An added benefit to some is the ability to take off just a little to help with torquing that barrel nut into the sweet spot. Now back to brother 82Halo's current problem. Don't get me wrong , I lap all of mine , but only the last item, of the above , those other items may be a added benefit , I lap to make sure I have a good flush Flange seating surface . 82Halo Have you cycled a Dummy round through this rifle & had issues or have you test fired it ? Edited January 21, 2016 by survivalshop
82HALO Posted January 23, 2016 Author Report Posted January 23, 2016 Don't get me wrong , I lap all of mine , but only the last item, of the above , those other items may be a added benefit , I lap to make sure I have a good flush Flange seating surface . 82Halo Have you cycled a Dummy round through this rifle & had issues or have you test fired it ?made it home! Will get some pictures when I take a break from shoveling and snow blowing! Unfortunately I don't have any 308 dummy rounds! Not test fired, and now don't know when that can happen!
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