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[sketch]

Sobering Statistics Concerning Vietnam Vets As of April 2016

 

In case you haven't been paying attention these past few decades after you returned from Vietnam, the clock has been ticking. The following are some statistics that are at once depressing yet in a larger sense should give you a huge sense of pride.

"Of the 2,709,918 Americans who served in Vietnam, Less than 850,000 are estimated to be alive today, with the youngest American Vietnam veteran's age approximated to be 60 years old."

So, if you're alive and reading this, how does it feel to be among the last 1/3rd of all the U.S. Vets who served in Vietnam?

I don't know about you guys, but it kinda gives me the chills, Considering this is the kind of information I'm used to reading about WWII and Korean War vets.

So the last 14 years we are dying too fast, only the few will survive by 2025. If true, 390 VN vets die a day. so in 2190 days...from today, lucky to be a Vietnam veteran alive... in only 6-10 years..

*STATISTICS FOR INDIVIDUALS IN UNIFORM AND IN COUNTRY VIETNAM VETERANS: *

·        9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam Era (August 5, 1964 - May 7, 1975).

·        8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war (Aug 5, 1964- March 28, 1973).

·        2,709,918 Americans served in Vietnam, this number represents 9.7% of their generation.

·        7,484 women (6,250 or 83.5% were nurses) served in Vietnam.

·        Peak troop strength in Vietnam: 543,482 (April 30, 1968).

·        Agent Orange is taking a huge toll on Vietnam Veterans with most deaths somehow related to Agent Orange exposure. No one officially dies of Agent Orange, they die from the exposure which causes ischemic Heart Disease and failure, Lung Cancer, Kidney failure or COPD related disorders.

CASUALTIES:

·        Hostile deaths: 47,378

·        Non-hostile deaths: 10,800

·        Total: 58,202 (Includes men formerly classified as MIA and Mayaguez casualties). Men who have subsequently died of wounds account for the changing total.

·        8 nurses died -- 1 was KIA.

·        61% of the men killed were 21 or younger.

·        11,465 of those killed were younger than 20 years old.

·        Of those killed, 17,539 were married.

·        Average age of men killed: 23.1 years

·        Total Deaths: 23.11 years

·        Enlisted: 50,274; 22.37 years

·        Officers: 6,598; 28.43 years

·        Warrants: 1,276; 24.73 years E1: 525; 20.34 years

·        Five men killed in Vietnam were only 16 years old.

·        The oldest man killed was 62 years old.

·        Highest state death rate: West Virginia - 84.1% (national average 58.9% for every 100,000 males in 1970).

·        Wounded: 303,704 -- 153,329 hospitalized + 150,375 injured requiring no hospital care.

·        Severely disabled: 75,000, -- 23,214: 100% disabled;

·        Amputation or crippling wounds to the lower extremities were 300% higher than in WWII and 70% higher than Korea.

·        Missing in Action: 2,338

·        POWs: 766 (114 died in captivity)

·        As of January 15, 2004, there are 1,875 Americans still unaccounted for, from the Vietnam War.

DRAFTEES VS. VOLUNTEERS:

·        25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. (66% of U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII).

·        Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.

·        Total draftees (1965 - 73): 1,728,344.

·        Actually served in Vietnam: 38% Marine Corps Draft: 42,633.

·        Last man drafted: June 30, 1973.

RACE AND ETHNIC BACKGROUND:

·        88.4% of the men who actually served in Vietnam were Caucasian; 10.6% (275,000) were black; 1% belonged to other races.

·        86.3% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasian (includes Hispanics);

·        12.5% (7,241) were black;

·        1.2% belonged to other races.

·        170,000 Hispanics served in Vietnam; 3,070 (5.2% of total) died there.

·        70% of enlisted men killed were of European descent.

·        86.8% of the men who were killed as a result of hostile action were Caucasian; 12.1% (5,711) were black; 1.1% belonged to other races.

·        14.6% (1,530) of non-combat deaths were among blacks.

·        34% of blacks who enlisted volunteered for the combat arms. Overall, blacks suffered 12.5% of the deaths in Vietnam at a time when the percentage of blacks of military age was 13.5% of the total population.

·        Religion of Dead: Protestant -- 64.4%; Catholic -- 28.9%; other/none - - 6.7%

SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS:

·        Vietnam veterans have a lower unemployment rate than the same non-vet age groups.

·        Vietnam veterans' personal income exceeds that of our non-veteran age group by more than 18 percent.

·        76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from lower middle/working class backgrounds.

·        Three-fourths had family incomes above the poverty level; 50% were from middle income backgrounds.

·        Some 23% of Vietnam vets had fathers with professional, managerial or technical occupations.

·        79% of the men who served in Vietnam had a high school education or better when they entered the military service.

·        63% of Korean War vets and only 45% of WWII vets had completed high school upon separation.

·        Deaths by region per 100,000 of population: South -- 31%, West -- 29.9%; Midwest -- 28.4%; Northeast -- 23.5%.

DRUG USAGE & CRIME:

·        There is no difference in drug usage between Vietnam Veterans and non-Vietnam Veterans of the same age group. (Source: Veterans Administration Study)

·        Vietnam Veterans are less likely to be in prison - only one-half of one percent of Vietnam Veterans have been jailed for crimes.

·        85% of Vietnam Veterans made successful transitions to civilian life.

WINNING & LOSING:

·        82% of veterans who saw heavy combat strongly believe the war was lost because of lack of political will.

·        Nearly 75% of the public agrees it was a failure of political will, not of arms.

HONORABLE SERVICE:

·        97% of Vietnam-era veterans were honorably discharged.

·        91% of actual Vietnam War veterans and 90% of those who saw heavy combat are proud to have served their country.

·        74% say they would serve again, even knowing the outcome.

·        87% of the public now holds Vietnam veterans in high esteem.

INTERESTING CENSUS STATISTICS:

·        1,713,823 of those who served in Vietnam were still alive as of August, 1995 (census figures).

·        As of the current Census taken during August, 2000, the surviving U.S. Vietnam Veteran population estimate is: 1,002,511. This is hard to believe, losing nearly 711,000 between '95 and '00. That's 390 per day.

·        Isolated atrocities committed by American Soldiers produced torrents of outrage from anti-war critics and the news media while Communist atrocities were so common that they received hardly any media mention at all. The United States sought to minimize and prevent attacks on civilians while North Vietnam made attacks on civilians a centerpiece of its strategy. Americans who deliberately killed civilians received prison sentences while Communists who did so received commendations.

·        From 1957 to 1973, the National Liberation Front assassinated 36,725 Vietnamese and abducted another 58,499. The death squads focused on leaders at the village level and on anyone who improved the lives of the peasants such as medical personnel, social workers, and school teachers.

 

 

http://www.usna63.org/tradition/history/SoberingVietnamVets.pdf

 

 

[blue109]

My pop is on his way out. He got through bladder cancer...then got through lung cancer...and is now terminal with brain cancer. Also has a little piece of metal in his back that occasionally moves and causes infections and abscesses. He went to the VA several years ago and he said they handed him a phonebook sized pile of paperwork to fill out and he said F- this and walked out. 

[Sisco]

Our generation is getting,close to the final chapters.

[sketch]

the tuffest brand no doubt! hope he can hang on as long as he dosnt suffer!  my friend/( dad )is in his 60's and has been in good for health thus far.. but he wouldnt tell me if it was killing him.. hes a bad ass. in my book! 

[jtallen83]

8 hours ago, sketch said:

·        9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam Era (August 5, 1964 - May 7, 1975).

So they are not even counting my father then, he was there in 63 to early 64 and he wasn't there alone! He has dealt with lung cancer, skin cancer, (agent orange was blamed) and now needs a walker to get around due to a bad back and botched surgery. He has really slowed down these past few years, gauged by his daily beer intake down from almost a case a day to maybe a six pack but usually less now. He rarely talks about the war because he is still afraid they will put him in jail for security violations. I have convinced him to write down his experience so we can have it for history after his death.

[unforgiven]

God bless our Veterans and our Troops. Sorry to hear about your dad's. We pray for our Veterans and our Troops everyday at the dinner table.

[Armed Eye Doc]

Sorry to hear about you dad JT.  It is sad that the people who fought that war are dieing at a very fast pace.  It was bad enough that they were maligned when they came home.  Now they suffering further. 

On a related note, I had a patient tell me that her son just died from ALS that he got due to serving in Desert Storm.  I looked it up and there is a 2X risk of developing ALS in veterans from that conflict.

[sketch]

jt your dad started the fight hahaha dam case of beer in him and look out!

sorry hes struggling brother! definetly get him to wright it down man. I now they are not all pretty stories but it has to be told from a point of view we might not realise to this day.. ? glad hes still here! 

[jtallen83]

20 minutes ago, sketch said:

jt your dad started the fight hahaha dam case of beer in him and look out!

sorry hes struggling brother! definetly get him to wright it down man. I now they are not all pretty stories but it has to be told from a point of view we might not realise to this day.. ? glad hes still here! 

In his prime he would drink a case and you couldn't tell he was drunk, the man has a constitution! He wasn't in the shooting war, due to his clearence he was restricted to the air base the whole time, where he got dosed with agent orange when they would clear the zone around the base with it. He was a photo interpreter, selected targets from U2 photos. They started out in the Philippines but they kicked his unit out of the country when they realized what they were doing. Everyone was super nervous about his wing being in nam because of all the top secret stuff, he couldn't tell family he was there. When he applied for benefits dealing with agent orange they originally told him there was no record of him being in the combat zone but he had saved his orders so they got it figured out eventually.  What bugs him is all the lies that are still given out as historical fact to this day, targeted the AA missiles on the ships in the harbor but the brass just had him track them till they were up and running, crap like that. When he was stationed in Texas the man next to him was the first to spot the missiles in cuba, he did the verification before they alerted brass. Pisses him off everytime he hears some documentary give the credit to the CIA. I look forward to reading it all someday and you can bet it will be shared.

Edited May 5, 2018 by jtallen83

[sketch]

thank you jt!