Whiskeyfish Posted November 10, 2018 Report Share Posted November 10, 2018 I've been around here reading a bit, getting to know the place. Lots of good info here. I dusted off my Aero Precision M5E1 Builders kit, and decided it's time to git'er done. My build is for the most, done. Here we go. AERO PRECISION (on hand) M5E1 Builders Kit 15" KM WILSON COMBAT (on hand, in route) Barrel - TR-308SSRG18FT10 Gas Tube R/L - TR-GTR BCG - TR-BCA-NB-308 GB, SLR Rifleworks Sentry 8 - TR-AGB-8 TRIGGER (on hand, in route Larue MBT2 Aero Precision LPK - APRH100386C (on hand, in route) NEEDED Charge Handle - AXTS Raptor Receiver Extension (kit) Aero Precision APRH100386C or Armalite - AR10REKIT01 Stock - Rogers Super Stock (on hand) Grip - Ergo Tactical The CH and receiver ext/buffer assembly I'm not dead set on. I'm open to suggestion, so, help me spend my $$$ if better functionality comes to play. Any help will help my build get done quicker!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 10, 2018 Report Share Posted November 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Whiskeyfish said: WILSON COMBAT (on hand, in route) Barrel - TR-308SSRG18FT10 Gas Tube R/L - TR-GTR Once you get it assembled, get a picture of that gas tube protrusion into the upper receiver. The gas tube should stop at the very center of the cam pin cutout in the upper receiver. I've got two Wilson Combat barrels, and they don't use DPMS gas length, and they don't use Armalite gas lengths - it's in between. I had to use Armalite AR-10 gas tubes in them to get them "more" right, over "less" right with the shorter tubes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeyfish Posted November 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2018 Well sheit. I thought this build was going to be cut/dry. Mentally noted. That subject may well get rehashed. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeyfish Posted November 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2018 I've considered the JP Silent Capture Buffer system. I'm open to discretion, as/to what configuration to buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 10, 2018 Report Share Posted November 10, 2018 Some people swear by it - my mentality is simple, though, on recoil systems. Don't complicate shiit with complicated shiit. That part was borne of the "I can't stand that TWANG!" crowd. The lack of a "twang" tells you that your bolt just locked back on an empty magazine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Armory Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 Leave That JP stuff alone ? Unless you are buying the Whole Complete JP kit !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeyfish Posted November 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) On 11/11/2018 at 2:22 PM, Dane Armory said: Leave That JP stuff alone ? Unless you are buying the Whole Complete JP kit !!!! That would be my approach. The only way I would go about it. Regarding the gas tube: I did a dry run to determine how far the gas tube extends in-to the receiver. That measurement is 19mm. **This measurement is based on the upper receiver, barrel and gas tube in my OP.** Edited November 14, 2018 by Whiskeyfish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeyfish Posted November 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 The no-edit option SUCKS Thanks for the mention on the gas tube, Z. Armalite rifle length on the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot_Scraper Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 I had the JP system in my R-25 and I'm now running the Armaspec SRS (essentially the same as JP) in my Xanthos build. The twang didn't bother me but the weights jostling around as I would pick up my rifle did. Seems to shoot just fine, plus it's like .7 oz's lighter than the rifle spring and buffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Whiskeyfish said: The no-edit option SUCKS Thanks for the mention on the gas tube, Z. Armalite rifle length on the way. Yep, that seems to be the way Wilson Combat went with their barrels. They're doing that bullshiit "in-between" gas port drilling, so anybody can use anything, and it will probably function with off-the-shelf ammo, most of the time. Bunch of bullshiit. The Armalite AR-10 gas tube will have you a little past the centerline of the cam pin cutout - but at least you'll have the minimum amount of gas timing necessary, instead of "almost the correct amount of gas timing..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeyfish Posted November 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 14 hours ago, 98Z5V said: The Armalite AR-10 gas tube will have you a little past the centerline of the cam pin cutout - but at least you'll have the minimum amount of gas timing necessary, instead of "almost the correct amount of gas timing..." When I installed the GB, noticing where the hole in the barrel, in relation to the GB itself didn't even cross my mind. I just installed it, after adding a counter-bore for the forward set screw. The Armalite tube extending further into the key, I like. I'll do a dry run again. Now my concern is bottoming out to the key. For piece of mind I want to know how much free-play (float) there is. Cutting/reshaping the end with my Dremel if necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 9 hours ago, Whiskeyfish said: Now my concern is bottoming out to the key. That won't happen.Been through this several times now, and it clears - doesn't bottom. You'll be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeyfish Posted November 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 That may very well be. Not that I'm questioning that, but considering this is my first large frame rodeo, I like to get visuals and hands on for piece of mind. I'm currently waiting for the LPK, trigger, and the longer gas tube. I'm liking how things are coming together. Thanks again Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeyfish Posted December 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 (edited) The Armalite RL gas tube arrived today, and in it's rightful place. As you said, Z, it's GTG. Here's a visual comparison. Edited December 1, 2018 by Whiskeyfish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgecrusher Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 Good picture whiskey, that’s a great comparison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 (edited) Great work, brother, with that graphic! I will re-post that one alot around here. I already blew it up and saved the larger one to the hard drive. That is the exact same dimensional difference between AR15 midlength gas tubes and Armalite AR-10 Carbine gas tubes, as well. Identical difference. Edited December 1, 2018 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeyfish Posted December 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 Thanks I figured it would be beneficial to all, so, there it is. Lets just say I'm not graphically challenged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeyfish Posted December 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) The AR308 Build is a done deal. Here's my components. And ready to Rock. Edited December 3, 2018 by Whiskeyfish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 Hell YES! That came out great, man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 Damn good job brother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot_Scraper Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTrooper Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 I like pictures, a lot easier for the child in me to appreciate this build. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeyfish Posted December 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) @Bootscraper. I don't see anything in your post but white. Either my eyes got full of cataracts, or you replied with white fonts? LOL. Thanks fellas. My build was a long term thought process regarding components, after receiving the M5E1 Builders Kit over a year ago. As I played the process of elimination, knowing what I wanted, I built a 2nd "list to buy" and built from there. Visually as well. So my build I assembled virtually from the components in the top image above, before the key components, barrel, bcg, adj gas block, (which I don't really need for this build, but have future plans for and will swap it out on my next build) and buttstock. Once I decided on the final components, my (virtual) AR308 was built and on my screen in 2D perspective. With two different optics. Once I was happy, let the dough flow. The build all said and done, as seen, without optic/mount, 10Lbs/4oz. Adding the LT204 and the SWFA 5-20x50HD with Vortex caps, that added 2Lbs/8oz. The glass and clarity is outstanding. Total weight as seen in the bottom image, 13Lbs/9oz (less ammo). Definitely not something I planned to be carrying much beyond truck to bench or similar use. I suspect a kick like a pony, once I get it dialed in. When I want to put it on a diet, my AP CompM4 has reserved parking. Edited December 4, 2018 by Whiskeyfish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeyfish Posted December 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 By the way, what's the deal with not having the ability to edit my above? In three minutes I get locked out? WTF over!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeyfish Posted December 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) Happy New Year to ME. Now I'm chasing tail of a 6.5G Edited December 31, 2018 by Whiskeyfish Edit, excuse my camera. It's not the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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