Str8shooter Posted November 18, 2018 Report Share Posted November 18, 2018 I have seen this posted for over a year now with PSA selling lowers with a lightweight H buffer. I Just purchased a complete lower and thought for sure this would have been rectified by now. Nope I have a standard H buffer instead of a heavy H3. Set up the customers for failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted November 18, 2018 Report Share Posted November 18, 2018 Don’t get @98Z5V started.... rant incoming☁️☁️☁️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Str8shooter Posted November 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2018 I'm really PO'd about this. I happened to be pulling it apart and WTF? Why????/???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 Using standard weight buffers in my 308s. No issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mley1 Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 One of the first things I did to mine was add tungsten weights to the buffer to make it an H3. That was one of many mods I made to make it run decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Str8shooter Posted November 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, mley1 said: One of the first things I did to mine was add tungsten weights to the buffer to make it an H3. That was one of many mods I made to make it run decent. Just ordered a armaspec 308 captured recoil spring to go with the barrel and adjustable gas block. I run 2 others in my ar15’s and a JPS in a third. I will prob sell off the original barrel since I’ve never even shot through that tube. New barrel just came in Edited November 20, 2018 by Str8shooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 On 11/18/2018 at 11:58 AM, Str8shooter said: I have seen this posted for over a year now with PSA selling lowers with a lightweight H buffer. I Just purchased a complete lower and thought for sure this would have been rectified by now. Nope I have a standard H buffer instead of a heavy H3. Set up the customers for failure. On 11/18/2018 at 3:27 PM, Robocop1051 said: Don’t get @98Z5V started.... rant incoming☁️☁️☁️ I see that they haven't learned a fucking thing... Surprised, but not surprised. Not in the least. Dumbasses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Str8shooter Posted November 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, 98Z5V said: I see that they haven't learned a fucking thing... Surprised, but not surprised. Not in the least. Dumbasses. Well the good news is that I went into this with eyes open. I wanted a buget platform that I can tune with quality parts where it counts and still save money. But like you I'm surprised people aren't having masive over gassing. I can only guess that most are not running corked. I've built many AR's in 223 but had no idea the AR10 platform was the wild west with no accountability. lol Learning every day. But for the cost it is still a great base to start a build. That is once I mic everything out and I'm sure I will have to lap the upper berfore I am done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Str8shooter said: But like you I'm surprised people aren't having masive over gassing. I've built many AR's in 223 but had no idea the AR10 platform was the wild west with no accountability. It's not over-gassing - it's "understrength recoil systems" - even though most people think it's overgassed, then jump straight on that adjustable gas block bandwagon right away. Wrong bandaid fixing the wrong problem, IMHO. We've know that the 308AR platform is the Wild West with no accountability, since late 2009. That's when this board was formed, and why it exists in the first place, man. The AR-10 Platform doesn't have these issues, as you've stated. Armalite figured that shiit out over half a century ago, and did it well, and they work. "AR-10" is not in that picture. ".308AR" platforms are another matter... Terminology makes a difference, too... Edited November 20, 2018 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Str8shooter Posted November 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 41 minutes ago, 98Z5V said: It's not over-gassing - it's "understrength recoil systems" - even though most people think it's overgassed, then jump straight on that adjustable gas block bandwagon right away. Wrong bandaid fixing the wrong problem, IMHO. We've know that the 308AR platform is the Wild West with no accountability, since late 2009. That's when this board was formed, and why it exists in the first place, man. The AR-10 Platform doesn't have these issues, as you've stated. Armalite figured that shiit out over half a century ago, and did it well, and they work. "AR-10" is not in that picture. ".308AR" platforms are another matter... Terminology makes a difference, too... True enough. Verbiage matters in deciphering issues. I agree completely. To throw on an adjustable gas block without dealing with the primary issue is short sighted. 308 is just too much rearward mass and energy to be dealt with from a standard weight buffer and spring. I've never dipped my toes into the 308 realm before now other then precision bolt shooting. Learning as I go and from reading here. Thanks for keeping me accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Str8shooter said: Thanks for keeping me accurate. It's what I do, no matter who it is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 DPMS LR308 platform doesn't have these issues , Armalite AR 10 platform being the other one , also no one is copying the AR 10 ( not sure what the Brownells copies are like as of yet ), but they sure are with the DPMS version . The problem is 99% of the other 308AR manufacturers are making their Rifles & components as a copy of the DPMS LR 308 , but making up their own spec's & not making them to the same as DPMS or they mix & try to match AR 10 & DPMS Parts or spec's & tolerance stacking is the result . It could also be poor quality control or just bad planing by these Manufacturers . I have always said , pick a platform & build it to it & use quality components & parts & these 308AR's will run & that goes for mixing Receivers , stay with the same manufacturer of both .It seems PA is mixing different platform parts , thinking they have reinvented the wheel .As this is very simple , but if you look , most issues are really down to cost savings , you get what you pay for in most circumstances . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 ^^^ He nailed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Str8shooter Posted November 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 Agreed. I went into it eyes open knowing at that price point I would be changing out what I needed/wanted. Still was a good value to start. Didn’t want to drop $$ on a rifle I would still change components out of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 It'll come together well, man - don't sweat that. Whatever gas system that barrel is, once it's in hand, we can figure it out fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Str8shooter Posted November 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 Hell yes. The barrel is in. Just need to find the time to put everything together. Hopefully next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert@FULL30 Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 Since I haven't bought a buffer/tube for my build yet I'm happy I found this post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 11 hours ago, Robert@FULL30 said: Since I haven't bought a buffer/tube for my build yet I'm happy I found this post Ask, before you buy. There's alot I can say on it - quite loquacious on the recoil system subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert@FULL30 Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 16 hours ago, 98Z5V said: Ask, before you buy. There's alot I can say on it - quite loquacious on the recoil system subject. What should I target for a buffer? I appreciate all the knowledge you guys have here , thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 Get it to 5.4oz, if you can. That will be most reliable. You're running a collapsible stock setup, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Robert@FULL30 said: What should I target for a buffer? I appreciate all the knowledge you guys have here , thank you. If you have no recoil system parts yet, just get the whole Armalite AR-10 Carbine recoil system. You can do the whole kit (one part number), or piece it together. There are three companies that I know of that are doing a confirmed 7 5/8" internal depth receiver extension, so there are options if some things are outta stock. Armalite AR-10 Carbine, VLTOR A5 (couple of different ones), and MagPul SR-25/M110. Any one of those three, Armalite EA1095 spring, any AR15 H3 carbine buffer (or the Armalite AR-10 Carbine buffer, same/same). Edited November 25, 2018 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert@FULL30 Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 (edited) Really the only thing I haven't acquired yet is buffer and tube, I have a spring for a BFS III and this is the stock I have https://www.magpul.com/products/prs-gen3-precision-adjustable-stock Edited November 25, 2018 by Robert@FULL30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, Robert@FULL30 said: Really the only thing I haven't acquired yet is buffer and tube, I have a spring for a BFS III and this is the stock I have You can go either route on that stock, brother - rifle recoil system, or carbine recoil system. I'd run rifle on it, if it was mine. Parts are easier to get, and manufacturers fuk it up less often. 5.200" .308AR rifle buffer weighs 5.4 oz, and that doesn't get jacked too often by too many smaller manufacturers - they just can't fuk that up, like they do on 308 carbine shorty buffers. Armalite EA1095 spring. Any AR15 rifle receiver extension - some are labeled "A1" and some are labeled "A2" - they're the same, as far as the actual extension goes. The A2 comes with a longer vented buttstock screw, in order to support a 5/8" spacer that the longer A2 stock requires - you don't need those extra parts, just the extension itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 Here's everything you need for a rifle recoil system, all from DSG Arms - the EA1095 spring is OOS at the moment, but other vendors have it, if it's a "right now" necessity - DSG is great about their inventory notifications, and you sign up for an OOS item - at that point, you can pull the trigger on it all... Their customer service is badass, on the phone, too. You can call them and ask when something is anticipated to be back in stock. They rock at customer service questions over the phone... https://dsgarms.com/armea1095 https://dsgarms.com/dsg-4201-0041 https://dsgarms.com/dsg-4201-0048 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimL Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 On 11/25/2018 at 4:08 PM, 98Z5V said: Here's everything you need for a rifle recoil system, all from DSG Arms - the EA1095 spring is OOS at the moment, but other vendors have it, if it's a "right now" necessity - DSG is great about their inventory notifications, and you sign up for an OOS item - at that point, you can pull the trigger on it all... Their customer service is badass, on the phone, too. You can call them and ask when something is anticipated to be back in stock. They rock at customer service questions over the phone... https://dsgarms.com/armea1095 https://dsgarms.com/dsg-4201-0041 https://dsgarms.com/dsg-4201-0048 tagging so I can find this again.....thanks for the info! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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