shooterrex Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 I think you are confusing the bolt being locked up so tight with the charging handle being stuck. The 308AR's need broken in. When I built my pistol it was hard to get the charging handle pulled back w/a round in the chamber. Like collapse the stock and bang the butt on the ground while pulling on the charging handle hard. This is not the case after several hundred rounds. The gun functioned ok when shot but not when operated by hand till it broke in. You might try shooting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmtreading Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 So once charging handle goes back so far it can get off track.1st pic showing no bcg.2nd showing how far it can go back no issues.3rd showing when I try to go further what happens meaning goes off track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmtreading Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 Before I was able to cycle rounds manually so thats why I was worried I fucked something up. as its weird it now scratches the rounds before they came out clean and always cycles first round like nothing did it 6 times never an issue on the first round always locks on 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooterrex Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 Ok the charging handle shouldn't go "off track" w/the bolt carrier group installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, shooterrex said: Ok the charging handle shouldn't go "off track" w/the bolt carrier group installed. Yep, right there - not even possible. OP, post a pic of your complete BCG, with a tape measure showing how long it is. Post a pic of your buffer length, full description of the recoil system and all it's parts, with measurements... I'll think of more, but that should do for now. Something is seriously wrong with your gun, if you pull your changing handle all the way back, and it just falls out like that - it went back far enough to get through the channel cutout to TAKE the charging handle out - and that shouldn't even be possible on an assembled upper. Edited October 5, 2020 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmtreading Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 It doesn't come off track with bcg installed you said to test it without bcg im just following directions pic coming up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmtreading Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 First pic showing bolt locks back with empty mag inside.2nd showing how far charging handle goes.3rd showing when i aim downwards charging handle just falls down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmtreading Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 I noticed some resistance on front pins as back slides smoothly.Im thinking I bent the front takedown pin or bent the lower somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 This is rapidly coming down into the "information required" in Albro's Waterboarding thread. OP, you need to get the kind of details up here that are listed in that thread above ^^^ for us to go any further. I hope you get that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmtreading Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 I'm naming the part correctly charging handle is what you pull.bcg is what goes along with it what am I missing or messing up im following directions to the letter and describing parts correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmtreading Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 I'm getting the parts im describing from those 2 sources.Im sure its equivalent to the guide you just posted as that guide is missing a lot of parts.I already read that guide when you first posted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 15 minutes ago, Fmtreading said: It doesn't come off track with bcg installed you said to test it without bcg im just following directions pic coming up. I never, ever stated that, not once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 Just now, Fmtreading said: I'm getting the parts im describing from those 2 sources.Im sure its equivalent to the guide you just posted as that guide is missing a lot of parts.I already read that guide when you first posted it. Then FOLLOW what Albro posted in that, very carefully, and give the full descriptions, measurements, and details of your parts. Once you have all that info - post it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmtreading Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 I'm going down the list of all posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmtreading Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 I did read my posts i literally numbered it test by test even to make it easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmtreading Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 what info are you missing its all been posted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 Well, fuk it then - how about just answering what I asked of you earlier in this thread, then? Give me the dimensions of the parts that I specifically asked you for. How about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 22 minutes ago, 98Z5V said: OP, post a pic of your complete BCG, with a tape measure showing how long it is. Post a pic of your buffer length, full description of the recoil system and all it's parts, with measurements... I'll think of more, but that should do for now. Something is seriously wrong with your gun, if you pull your changing handle all the way back, and it just falls out like that - it went back far enough to get through the channel cutout to TAKE the charging handle out - and that shouldn't even be possible on an assembled upper. You missed this post I asked you about?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmtreading Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 Ok dimensions of bcg coming up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmtreading Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 That's the bolt carrier group. Buffer next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmtreading Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 and of course the charging handle will fall out as the bcg holds it into the upper as bcg hits the buffer tube it will keep the charging handle from going off track.That was a miscommunication i was seriously asked do it with no bcg installed so I did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmtreading Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 also I said front pins are tight they dont slide like back ones are smooth front ones are almost grinding making me think i bent the front take down pin or bent the lower receiver where front takedown pin is installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmtreading Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 1st pic buffer tube,2nd buffer assembly,3rd action spring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmtreading Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 it loaded wrong order let me be correct 1st is action spring,2nd buffer tube,3rd buffer assembly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 17 minutes ago, Fmtreading said: and of course the charging handle will fall out as the bcg holds it into the upper as bcg hits the buffer tube it will keep the charging handle from going off track.That was a miscommunication i was seriously asked do it with no bcg installed so I did it. That was never something that I asked you to do, in the least, and a test like that makes zero sense to perform - or even ask someone to do. 14 minutes ago, Fmtreading said: also I said front pins are tight they dont slide like back ones are smooth front ones are almost grinding making me think i bent the front take down pin or bent the lower receiver where front takedown pin is installed. Measure the front pin then. It's pretty short, and if it's bent, it should be pretty obvious. If you'd really read that thread that Albro posted, you'd know the details that are required here. Yet, you still don't know what information we need - but you stated you read it. Well,then, get me the information that I asked you for on the recoil system already. Go fetch. You need to look at something here - we're on the other side of a monitor, with you typing. We're trying to HELP YOU figure out what's going on with your malfunctioning gun. We ask for a very, VERY specific set of details in order to HELP YOU. You have not provided those details. You might THINK you have, but you have not. Go fetch me every detail that Albro posted in his thread, and post those very specific details right here in this thread, and I'll solve your problem. Until you do that very thing, then nobody here can help you anymore. POST: Just the fact that you just put up a pic of the OVERALL length of your damn receiver extension proves that you never, not once, read through Albro's post on Waterboarding. Go READ that thread from him that I linked, ALL the way through. No one here can do a damn thing with the OVERALL LENGTH of your receiver extension, and that number isn't even important. Read the fucking thread that was linked to you, and get the information back here that the linked thread asks. Until then, you're just wasting our time, and your time. In THIS thread, right here, you ARE Jeff Spicolli... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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