Guest LLArms Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 So I've sent out multiple inquiries about engraving services for our products. The first inquiry only contains the following information:Product Dimensions; Length, Width, HeightEngraving Requirements; Length, Width, and DepthMaterial Makeup; aka standard industry grade steelPretty simple right?So as always we get an email promptly back stating, "Oh yes, our machines can handle that - we would love to have your business. Can we get more details?"At which point I send them some CAD software photos and some pictures, and explain the font needed in more detail.Sometimes a day, sometimes a couple days, but we constantly get the following generic response: "After further review of your project /product / whatever, we have decided our company may not be suitable to handle this request".So just we are on the same page, they are given specific dimensions and requirements to verify if their equipment can handle the job. Which they always say they can, but upon finding out what its for, all of a sudden they are not equipped to do the job?I did not realize how deep the anti's were in the game. <laughs> <dontknow> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Stop sending the whole picture. Just send them a picture of the big brick handguard/weight/cover portion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 I wouldn't have thought there was so big a market for engraving that they can make a living turning down firearms.Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LLArms Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Stop sending the whole picture. Just send them a picture of the big brick handguard/weight/cover portion.1. The engravings and shape are a pretty good indication what it is for.2. I want a company I can form a relationship with, not one that doesn't want my business based on personal stances. Paying money to a company and hoping they don't put 2+2 together would be very odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 A rotary engraving machine isn't all that expensive anymore. Maybe $4k-$5k now... Or a Laser engraver for $7k-$8k...Have you tried Harford Engraving Service yet? I know they sell AR15/Glock/1911 parts already. They also say they do custom work, or at least they used to. Maybe you can work out an ongoing P.O. with them??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LLArms Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Custom Engraving We're SorryDue to time constraints we are no longer accepting custom work. We aim to providea high level of quality in a timely manner and can not achieve these goals at this time.Out of respect to our customers we will not accept projects until we are able to provide the high level that we demand and that you deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madhouse Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 If it truly is an anti-gun agenda, then that is just sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 That is just a sad state of affairs. If you dont mind shipping charges. You could contact Quentin Defense in Gilbert AZ. Tom could give you quotes for the work you need done. They have the equipment needed to get the job done and right the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LLArms Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Shipping is not a problem, I was looking at shipping charges as there is no one local who can handle the task.Like I said I'm looking for a long term business relationship where the work is good and the price is fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LLArms Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Just dropped them an e-mail lets see what happens. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrraley Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 first question from now on should be do you have an FFL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LLArms Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 I'm not shipping anything that requires an FFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LLArms Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Damien, Unfortunately all of out Lasers are CO2 and will not engrave any depth into steel. All of our marking is on anodized aluminum. One company you might try in Ident Marking, they have YAG lasers and are more appropriate for what your wanting done.http://identmarking.com/Thank you,Jason Renschler Thankfully he gave me another lead to pursue, but now you can see the hoops I am having to jump through.Edit: Well, one more e-mail sent off on yet another path. We shall see I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Ident Marking and Orion are the ONLY two companies I'd send anything to for SBR engraving. That SBR engraving needs to be PERFECT, or you're breaking the law by running sub-standard (illegal) poop. Those two companies do it right. <thumbsup>Since you already have the link for Ident, here's the one for Orion:http://www.orion-arms.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 On the same note, I wouldn't necessaruly label any of the other companies as "anti-gun" just because they won't do your stuff - firearms engraving has a very, very difinitive set of standards set by the ATF. It must be a specific way. Very few companies that do engraving can perform that service to the standards the ATF says is "okay," because they don't don't have the hardware to do that specific job. Other companies are probably afraid to get into that arena, because if they Eff it up, the ATF is right there, up their ass - they just don't want that kind of responsibility.It's not necessarily an "anti-gun" thing. Research "SBR engraving," hit the ATF fact sheets on it, and you'll see why there are only a few companies that even offer this service... <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LLArms Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 I'm not sure where you got the idea any of this is for an SBR engraving or anything even remotely similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgecrusher Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Maybe since you never mentioned what it was for he assumed serial numbers or legal markings of the like <dontknow> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 I'm not sure where you got the idea any of this is for an SBR engraving or anything even remotely similar.Doesn't have poop to do with SBR engraving, brother, not in the least.It has everything to do with firearms engraving, though, and that is directly my point. SBR engraving was my example, because the ATF has very, very specific rules for engraving firearms - the most common firearms engraved are SBRs. You're not talking about "anti-gun" engravers, when you're looking for trophy engraving, are you? I hope you can smell what I was spreadin'. It's the same thing, here.If you want anything engraved on a firearm, look at the companies that engrave SBRs - they legally do it right. You're welcome, for giving you the second company, that does it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LLArms Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 I'm not shipping anything that requires an FFL.What I said earlier.There are no legalities to the item(s) I need engraved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Maybe you should be asking engraving companies if they can meet the following requirements - doesn't matter one poop if it's for an SBR - this is the minimum that the ATF requires for firearms engraving:What is required by the ATF for SBR engraving? All information was taken from the ATF Publication 5300.4 - section 479.102 " How must firearms be identified?"Any gun manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002 must have manufacturer information placed at a minimun depth of .003” with a height no smaller than 1/16”.Maybe, just maybe, THAT is what you should be asking the companies you're contacting for engraving - can they MEET those standards?At the point that then CAN, but REFUSE, then they are "anti-gun."You need to understand what you are asking for, and what you need, before you start jumping a company's ass about being "anti-gun." I don't think you even know what you need, in the first place, when you started this thread. Now you know what the "standards" are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Again, Damien...You're welcome, for giving you the second company, that does it right. You're engraving a firearm. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LLArms Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 You're engraving a firearm. Period.No, I'm not. Period. Can you even quote me on what I am getting engraved? No matter how much you insist that the red crayon is in fact a blue crayon, its still a red crayon at the end of the day in reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madhouse Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Everybody, just step back and read through the post. The OP is not asking about having a firearm engraved, it was a comment that once the engravers that had been contacted were made aware that the equipment was firearms-related, they seemed, to the OP, to not want the business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LLArms Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Thank you.The key term you used is "firearms-related".Any serial numbers are for our own records for Q&A. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Good luck, man. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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