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Optic for a 16inch POF


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As stated above give us a budget to work with, without knowing that I'll throw this out there. For the distance you specified this is a very good scope that wont break the bank ,NIKON M-308 http://www.policestore.com/optics-laser-sights/rifle-scopes/m-308-4-16x42-riflescopes-prod55012.aspx if your budget allows more check out the Vortex PST line and Weaver Tactical http://www.policestore.com/optics-laser-sights/rifle-scopes/viper-1-4x24-pst-rifle-scope-prod42369.aspx or Leupold Mark4 http://www.policestore.com/optics-laser-sights/rifle-scopes/mark-4-lr-t-rifle-scopes-prod42641.aspx  http://swfa.com/Weaver-3-15x50-Tactical-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P49448.aspx

Also are you looking for FFP or 2nd FP , MOA/MOA or MIL/MIL adjustments?

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As stated above give us a budget to work with, without knowing that I'll throw this out there. For the distance you specified this is a very good scope that wont break the bank ,NIKON M-308 http://www.policestore.com/optics-laser-sights/rifle-scopes/m-308-4-16x42-riflescopes-prod55012.aspx if your budget allows more check out the Vortex PST line and Weaver Tactical http://www.policestore.com/optics-laser-sights/rifle-scopes/viper-1-4x24-pst-rifle-scope-prod42369.aspx or Leupold Mark4 http://www.policestore.com/optics-laser-sights/rifle-scopes/mark-4-lr-t-rifle-scopes-prod42641.aspx  http://swfa.com/Weaver-3-15x50-Tactical-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P49448.aspx

Also are you looking for FFP or 2nd FP , MOA/MOA or MIL/MIL adjustments?

 

I am new to all this so I want whatever is going to be the simplest to use. I have a Leupold VXR Patrol on an AR its 1.25X4 I like this but thought it wouldn't be enough scope for a 308. Maybe I am wrong?

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See, for a 16" that goes out to 600 yds are you going to want something for close in as well? Because I would go different than all of these guys, I would go with an EOTech 512 with a flip up 3X Magnifier. Though I also shoot out to 500 yds with a 5.56 using iron sights... But that would be what I would go for.

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See, for a 16" that goes out to 600 yds are you going to want something for close in as well? Because I would go different than all of these guys, I would go with an EOTech 512 with a flip up 3X Magnifier. Though I also shoot out to 500 yds with a 5.56 using iron sights... But that would be what I would go for.

My Trident is 1.5-8x , and has a reticle ranged out to 800yds. A bit pricey though. It's for my MK12 .223 rifle, but they can come with a .308 setup as well http://www.valdada.com/scopes/tactical-scopes/1-5-8x26-35mm-tactical-scope-and-223-cqb-reticule

 

 

 

If you plan on shooting out to 600, around a 10x would be optimum in my opinion.

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Check what the three gun match shooters are using, they go short & long . Most will be in the expensive kind though .To me any way. 

 

I know you get what you pay for , but I can never swallow the price of the top of the line scopes . I just can't bring myself to paying as much or more than the rifle I'm putting it on . Just me.

 

I find what I need with Nikon or Burris . Again , just me .

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Most of the 3 gunners around here use a 1-4 power scope. The ones who are always playing the equipment race have moved up to the newer 1-6 power scopes. I like those guys, you can usually get some good deals on the stuff they are always replacing with the 'latest' thing! <lmao>

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No, you're not wrong, 4x isn't enough to get out to 600 yards effectively. The "so called" rule of thumb is 1x for every 100 yards. Imo that is a minimum, most people including myself prefer 2x for every 100 yards so using the 2x formula you would be best suited with a 12 power +- optic.  There are plenty of 2-10,3-12,3-15x scopes with various reticles & other options to choose from depending on your budget. I recommend reading this> http://demigodllc.com/articles/practical-long-range-rifle-shooting-optics/?p=1 before you purchase anything. Then if you haven't already check out these websites... http://www.brownells.com/optics-mounting/scopes/rifle-scopes/index.htm  http://swfa.com/Riflescopes-C1443.aspx

http://www.midwayusa.com/find?sortby=1&itemsperpage=24&minprice=300&maxprice=2000&dimensionids=4294846258&dimensionids=4294846174&dimensionids=4294846271&dimensionids=4294845307&dimensionids=4294845822&dimensionids=4294846185&dimensionids=4294846281&dimensionids=4294846203&dimensionids=4294845805&dimensionids=4294845998&dimensionids=4294845915&dimensionids=4294846286&dimensionids=4294846153&newcategorydimensionid=11493

http://www.opticsplanet.com/vortex-viper-pst-4-16x50-riflescopes.html

 

http://www.opticstalk.com/rifle-scopes_forum2.html

 

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  1. An FFP scope has a reticle that changes size with magnification. The advantage of this is that with a reticle with sub tensions, such as a mil-dot reticle, the sub tensions (distance between markings) are always relative to the target size. In other words, if 2 mils covers the target @ 10X, 2 mils cover the target @ 5X. With an SFP scope, the reticle never changes size so zooming out to 5X would mean 2 mils would only cover half the target. The disadvantage of a reticle that changes size is that the hash marks (and sometimes the reticle lines) get hard to see at low magnification. However, most manufacturers allow for this by including thicker outer bars so that at low mag the scope functions like a typical duplex reticle.

    Another advantage because of the sub tensions always remaining relative to the target size is that no matter what the magnification is you can adjust the scope or the turrets based on what you see through the reticle. If you see that your shot was 2 mils to the left you can either move the scope over 2 mils to the right or dial in 2 mils of correction. This can be done on an SFP scope, but only on its ranging power.

     

  2. Mil/mil just means that the turrets match the reticle. It could just as well be MOA/MOA or something else. The advantage here is that you have fewer calculations to do because there is no need to convert from one system to another.

     

  3. The Vortex PSTs are good scopes backed by a reputable company with a great customer service reputation. You could go either way with the reticles and most buyers probably choose one over the other based on what they're used to. Personally, I prefer mils because I think the calculations are a little easier since mils are a decimally-based system. Mils are, however, somewhat coarser than 1/4 MOA clicks (1/10 mil = .36" @ 100 yards vs .26" for 1/4 MOA). In my experience, that hardly matters for most shooting applications.
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