AR10 free float handguard

[thunk]

Does any member know of a supplier who could ship an AR10 free float handguard to New Zealand? Popular calibre here but parts are hard to source, any help appreciated

[Rsquared]

Armalite?

[shibiwan]

Are they ITAR controlled items? I could sell you some but I don't want to get in trouble with the law, much less do all the necessary paperwork for the export.

Edited August 28, 2014 by shibiwan

[98Z5V]

thunk, post up your New Zealand laws, brother.  Let us know what you're dealing with as far as your laws there.

 

After all, you're looking for the part - you need to give up the info on what it takes to get something there...

[FaRKle!]

Are they ITAR controlled items?

This. IIRC they are ITAR controlled. Hell, you can't even ship an Aimpoint back to Sweden (where the company is located) due to ITAR!

[shibiwan]

This. IIRC they are ITAR controlled. Hell, you can't even ship an Aimpoint back to Sweden (where the company is located) due to ITAR!

 

They could ship you one of their Swedish blonde chicks over to fix them on-location.  <laughs>  <lmao>

 

Edited August 28, 2014 by shibiwan

[98Z5V]

They could ship you one of their Swedish blonde chicks over to fix them on-location.  <laughs>

 

I think my Aimpoint just broke...  <dontknow>

[EasyEJL]

in scenarios like this, what I've found works is to have it shipped to a person in the US, then have them personally reship it to you. It usually saves on postage as well vs what companies charge for international.

[Robocop1051]

This. IIRC they are ITAR controlled. Hell, you can't even ship an Aimpoint back to Sweden (where the company is located) due to ITAR!

Yes you can. My brotherinlaw sent his to be repaired before he swapped me for my old eotech 512.

[FaRKle!]

Yes you can. My brotherinlaw sent his to be repaired before he swapped me for my old eotech 512.

 

There's a difference between sending it for repair (and thus return) and sending it for sale (kind of like shipping guns over state lines).

[thunk]

I should have mentioned it is an Armalite. Here is part of our import laws, The Police permit to import is not a problem it's getting someone to export an ITAR item

 

Firearms and parts of firearms

Importing firearms and parts of firearms into New Zealand is strictly controlled under the Arms Act 1983.

An arms permit to import from the New Zealand Police is needed to import the following:

• Firearms including pistols, starting pistols and military style semi-automatic firearms (MSSAs).
• Other types of firearms:
  • Bolt gun or stud gun.
  • Humane killer.
  • Tranquiliser gun.
  • Stock-marking pistol.
  • Flare pistol.
  • Deer net gun.
  • A pistol that is part of a rocket or line throwing equipment.
  • Miniature cannon.
  • Any antique firearm.
  • Starting pistols.
  • Replica firearms (a replica firearm is an exact working copy of the original firearm and is capable of firing live ammunition).
• • • Some firearm parts.

[FaRKle!]

Here is part of our import laws, The Police permit to import is not a problem it's getting someone to export an ITAR item

Yes, it's having somebody in the US export one that's the issue.

FF rails are components of a semi-automatic firearm of caliber less than .50 so it requires a license to export (see below for restricted items, h):

Category I—Firearms, Close Assault Weapons and Combat Shotguns

*(a) Nonautomatic and semi-automatic firearms to caliber .50 inclusive (12.7 mm).

*( B) Fully automatic firearms to .50 caliber inclusive (12.7 mm).

*© Firearms or other weapons (e.g. insurgency-counterinsurgency, close assault weapons systems) having a special military application regardless of caliber.

*(d) Combat shotguns. This includes any shotgun with a barrel length less than 18 inches.

*(e) Silencers, mufflers, sound and flash suppressors for the articles in (a) through (d) of this category and their specifically designed, modified or adapted components and parts.

(f) Riflescopes manufactured to military specifications (See category XII© for controls on night sighting devices.)

*(g) Barrels, cylinders, receivers (frames) or complete breech mechanisms for the articles in paragraphs (a) through (d) of this category.

(h) Components, parts, accessories and attachments for the articles in paragraphs (a) through (g) of this category.

These are the lengthy requirements for getting an export license:

§123.1 Requirement for export or temporary import licenses.

(a) Any person who intends to export or to import temporarily a defense article must obtain the approval of the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls prior to the export or temporary import, unless the export or temporary import qualifies for an exemption under the provisions of this subchapter. The applicant must be registered with the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls pursuant to part 122 of this subchapter prior to submitting an application. Applications for unclassified exports and temporary imports must be submitted electronically. Applications for classified exports and classified temporary imports must be submitted via paper. Further guidance is provided on the Internet Web site of the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls. The application forms for export or temporary import are as follows:

(1) Unclassified permanent exports must be made on Form DSP-5;

(2) Unclassified temporary exports must be made on Form DSP-73;

(3) Unclassified temporary imports must be made on Form DSP-61; or

(4) Classified exports or temporary imports must be made on Form DSP-85.

( B) Applications for Department of State export or temporary import licenses for proposed exports or temporary imports of defense articles, including technical data, may include commodities, software, and technical data subject to the EAR (see §120.42 of this subchapter) if:

(1) The purchase documentation (e.g., purchase order, contract, letter of intent, or other appropriate documentation) includes both defense articles enumerated on the U.S. Munitions List and items on the Commerce Control List;

(2) The commodities, software, and technical data subject to the EAR are for end-use in or with the U.S. Munitions List defense article(s) proposed for export; and

(3) The license application separately enumerates the commodities, software, and technical data subject to the EAR in a U.S. Munitions List “(x)” paragraph entry.

© As a condition to the issuance of a license or other approval, the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls may require all pertinent documentation regarding the proposed transaction and proper completion of the application form as follows:

(1) Form DSP-5, DSP-61, DSP-73, and DSP-85 applications must have an entry in each block where space is provided for an entry. All requested information must be provided. Stating “Not Applicable” or “See Attached” is not acceptable. See the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls Internet Web site for additional guidance on the completion of a license application form;

(2) Attachments and supporting technical data or brochures should be submitted with the license application. All freight forwarders and U.S. consignors must be listed in the license application. See the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls Internet Web site for instructions and limitations on attaching documentation;

(3) Certification by an empowered official must accompany all application submissions (see §126.13 of this subchapter);

(4) An application for a license for the permanent export of defense articles sold commercially must be accompanied by purchase documentation (e.g., purchase order, contract, letter of intent, or other appropriate documentation). In cases involving the Foreign Military Sales program, a copy of the relevant Letter of Offer and Acceptance is required, unless the procedures of §126.4© or §126.6 of this subchapter are followed;

(5) Form DSP-83, duly executed, must accompany all license applications for the permanent export of significant military equipment, including classified defense articles or classified technical data (see §§123.10 and 125.3 of this subchapter); and

(6) A statement concerning the payment of political contributions, fees, and commissions must accompany a permanent export application if the export involves defense articles or defense services valued in an amount of $500,000 or more and is being sold commercially to or for the use of the armed forces of a foreign country or international organization (see part 130 of this subchapter).

(d) Provisions for furnishing the type of defense services described in §120.9(a) of this subchapter are contained in part 124 of this subchapter. Provisions for the export or temporary import of technical data and classified defense articles are contained in part 125 of this subchapter.

(e) A request for a license for the export of unclassified technical data (DSP-5) related to a classified defense article should specify any classified technical data or material that subsequently will be required for export in the event of a sale.

[thunk]

Thanks very much FaRKlel for the information, they don't make it easy, guess I'll have to stick with the plastic handguard

[shepp]

Could you find a machinist there to mill you one?!? Just an idea?!?

[shibiwan]

Thanks very much FaRKlel for the information, they don't make it easy, guess I'll have to stick with the plastic handguard

 

Some company in China is probably making knockoffs of popular handguards. There's a bunch out there for the AR-15/M4 so I assume that sooner or later the 308 versions will turn up, if they don't already exist.  That would be the easiest path if you can find them.

[thunk]

Thanks Shepp and M o D a couple of great ideas I'll persue.