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Got an email from them today. They okayed me for the LEO purchase!

Rob, I don't think a plate would have helped in that situation, the hit was in the upper area not normally covered by a plate. I do agree that the kevlar weaves in the vests are much better now than back then. There's been a lot of knowledge gained about what works best since then. Those vests back then were bulky and hot! Rene, thanks! That's been a long time ago. Royce's mom used to tell my wife how much I reminded her of him. That was one strong lady, and I don't know how she handled that the way she did. She passed away recently and is now home with her son.

I've been in New Mexico since 1978 and in law enforcement since 1979 and I've never heard of any incident of that nature involving a NMSP officer and a 444 Marlin. I think the poster may have used an incident involving a friend and coworker of mine to make up his own story. On July 25th.1979 Royce Bennet, a Deming Police Officer, pulled over a person he knew who had been drinking. When he approached the drivers door of the pickup the driver fired a 45-70 lever action rifle through the glass at Royce. As 2 other Deming officers rolled up to back him up they saw him backing away from the door and firing at the occupant of the truck, and they both told me his revolver dropped a little with each shot. One of the backup officers shot through the back glass, striking the receiver of the rifle. The shooter in the truck then slid down to the passenger side of the floorboard where he was drug out by one of the officers. The other officer went to Royce, who was by that time unconsciuos on the ground. Royce breathed his last breath in that officer's arms, before the ambulance even arrived. He was wearing a Second Chance vest, which I believe was about the only manufacturer of body armor at that time. The bullet from the rifle went through his name tag, breaking it in half and then penetrated all but the last 4 layers of kevlar. The remaining 4 layers and the inner part of the vest carrier were pulled into the right side of his chest approx. 4 &1/2 inches and severed a major artery which caused him to bleed out in a matter of only a few minutes. Royce was carrying a Ruger Security Six .357 Magnum and he fired all 6 rounds before collapsing. All 6 rounds (which it was later found were a mix of .357 and 38 Spec.) went into the door below the window and only a fragment made it through to hit the shooter in the foot. During the autopsy it was found that Royce had window glass in his eyes and probably couldn't see to aim. At the time of the incident I was employed as a dispatcher and was hired as a patrolman shortly after that. I carried a .41 Magnum for the first 2 years of my career because of that incident, and never put my uniform on without putting body armor on first all through my career. Up to this point, Royce is the only officer in the history of the Deming P.D. to be killed in the line of duty. Rest in peace my friend! http://www.odmp.org/officer/1754-patrolman-royce-leroy-bennett

I read somewhere the other day that the Pentagon said if North korea starts anything they would be under total US control within about 24 hours. Sounds about right.

Jon, body armor will stop a slug too, but it sure leaves a nasty bruise!

I left the 'A' out on purpose, just so all you spell check geeks know. The site won't let me post it with the 'A'. And Tom, I would never think anything like that of you, no sir! That would be just wrong! :thefinger:

Now I know why there's no Varget to be found in New Mexico, there's a fucking blck hole down south of Tucson sucking it all in! :o <lmao>

Good luck NoFail, hope it all comes together for you! <thumbsup>

I've been carrying one of these; http://www.crkt.com/Ignitor I carried a Benchmade automatic knife for years, both on and off duty but my son decided he needed it worse than I did. If he gets deployed he definitely needs it more than me.

Just bought a Winchester 1200 12 ga. with an 18" bbl. on Gun Broker for $200. Oldie but a goodie! It's going to be my home defense gun. I've already got a Remington 1100, but it's set up for 3 Gun matches and would be a little unwieldy in the house (26" bbl. and 9 rnd magazine).

You bet! I just did it until I needed glasses. I later got Lasik surgery to correct my vision! :hethan: <lmao>

Like Tom, I started using a tax accountant when I sold a house I had been renting. Up to that point I had always done my own taxes, but trying to figure that poop out made my head hurt! I stayed with her all through the time Josh was in college, but went back to doing my own this year. Things have gotten much simpler for me over the last couple of years!

Well, sent them an email with a scan of my 'retired' ID and contact info for my Chief. We'll see what they say.

Policeone.com is running a survey right now with it's members (active & retired LEO's and an occasional troll that slips through) on gun control laws and their effectiveness. I'll post the results here when they come out, but I have no doubt the survey will show the majority in favor of CCW and unrestricted civilian ownership of large cap mags and military style sporting rifles and against further gun legislation.

Wonder if 'retired' status is good to go or not. <dontknow>

Nothing would happen in New Mexico. Here, your car is regarded the same as your house. You can carry anywhere in the vehicle, loaded or unloaded. If you want to drive around with a loaded AR propped on the seat next to you it's legal!

Local gun show this weekend had probably 50 AR-15 30 round mags for sale between two vendors for $20 a pop. Most even had the Magpul anti-tilt followers in them! Wasn't much of a rush of buyers either. Seems like things might be settling down in this area anyway.

Now THAT is epic!!!!!!!!!!! <thumbsup> :hail:

In the immortal words of Tom T. Hall, "As a matter of fact, I like beer!" :hethan:

Drew, just for the record, as a retired LEO I don't feel like I've been ostracized by anyone in this thread. I do feel that the law enforcement loophole is BS and support the companies that are taking this stance. It's not that I feel that law enforcement shouldn't have access to stuff that the citizen has, but the other way around, citizens should have access to whatever law enforcement has.

Gotta love it! Hat's off to Gov. Perry for going after these businesses. I love how they mention the Spoetzl Brewery being close by, can't beat a cold Shiner Bock! :hethan: <lmao>

I'm like Microgunner, I'm pretty well stocked for now. Hopefully I can hold out until this crap settles down.

Yup, I'll bet a $20 bill I can change a mag quicker on my pistol than anyone here can on their rifle!

<lmao> That reminded me of some 44 Mag. loads a female Game & Fish officer gave me one time. She liked them hot and man were they HOT! She was tougher than most guys I knew (and uglier too), carried a 4" Smith 29 on duty! <lmao>

I've got a Marlin 1894 in 44 Mag. that is over 20 years old. Now I know why people keep trying to buy it from me! I didn't know that marlin had even sold out to Remington, let alone know about the QC problems. Hell, now that I know about all this crap my kid ain't even getting the rifle until I'm dead! <lmao>