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No Shepp!! They want to see stuff like this! Which is what we STILL have around here.

I'm sure this one is somewhere else around here but here they are. Left to right: 16" Colt M4 20" 5.56 18" 308 18" Grendel 16" BLK 8" BLK w/supp. 12.7" Grendel Bottom: My son's 10.5" BLK

Hmmmm, my kids are 1/2 Norwegian (mom's side) does that count?

I don't know. 6' 6" My usual answer to "you're tall" is "no I'm not, the rest of the world is short". Or the other standard. "Hows the air up there?" "A hell of a lot better than down there"

The only ones I can get fairly reasonably in my size. Wranglers. 38X38 is a tad hard to come by.

Now we know the wife wasn't standing behind you when you wrote that. Or we'de be hearing about a domestic dispute involving a WI state trooper being beaten senseless by his wife.

This is basically what I do with my Caldwell 7 rest. Rifle sits in the rest front and back. Touch the stock butt to my shoulder lightly and hold the pistol grip just tight enough to aim and squeeze the trigger. My off hand is resting on the front horizontal beam of the rest, not holding the handguard at all. When the shot goes off the recoil does whatever it does, I don't try to hold the rifle in place.

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Considering I use my bow stands for sub hunting a shot over 30 yards would be rare. I wouldn't hesitate to stretch it to 50 if the right angle through the trees presented itself. The 40 yarder this year was just that situation. She walked past on my right side and went behind some trees and brush. I kept watching her and put the gun up when she started walking broadside to me. When her chest entered an opening between the branches I had the scope on her and pulled the trigger. When subs hit deer sides they sound like someone wearing leather mitts slapping their hands together. Thwack

Yep. With this:

Yup, most definitely. The flash can on the front will help some but these short 8" barrels and supersonic bullets are real boomers. Subs with a suppressor are another story. The shooter doesn't really know how loud the gun is because all you hear is the action slamming back and forth next to your ear. Its a clack rather than a bang. The best part is no one nearby even knows a gun went off. They may hear something but its not like anything they would relate to a gunshot.

Why? A bullet going about 980 fps (which mine are) through the chest of a deer is going to make it just as dead as one going 2400 fps. The trouble is with subs you end up looking for a dead deer rather than tracking it. Subs don't produce hydrostatic shock or huge gaping exit wounds so not much or no blood to track. 2 of them were about 30 yards. The 3rd closer to 40. 2 went about 25 yards and flopped, the 3rd about 100. For me it is bow hunting with a rifle. Short range and place your shot. That "pistol" will consistantly put shot after shot into a quarter size hole at 50 yards. Even smaller hole patterns closer in. The only thing I'm changing going forward is taking neck shots to drop them where they stand.

Well since you asked..... 8" CMMG barrel, 10" Homegrown form 1 suppressor, 10" el cheap CF handguard, SBA3 brace, Nikon 300 BLK scope. 3 deer so far using 200 grain Maker bullet subs. and for comparison: Its big(but smaller) brother Top: 12.7" barrel, 6.5 Grendel SBR, same 15" el cheap handguard cut down to 13.5" Bottom: 300 BLK Pistol Each upper can go on either lower and both of them have the same muzzle device so they can both wear the suppressor or the flash can. I haven't shot the Grendel suppressed yet.

Here is where I got the idea. Drill a small hole in the side of the box. Pass wires through a rubber gromet that fits into the hole. Fit gromet with wires into the hole. And for a cheap and easy tree mount(for those of us that have more trees than cactus). Caution: thick Georgia accent!

Pics of the empty box or the whole outfit once I have it done? I haven't ordered the rest of the parts yet.

Not ammo related at all. I'm in the process of upgrading trail cameras and the new ones are 12 volt instead of 6 volt like the ones I have. These boxes (or other similar ones) are about the perfect size to use for mini 12 volt battery boxes to protect the battery while powering the camera long term. Plano makes something similar. I found a better option. Flambeau 30 cal can. Close thread please

Check out Sniper Hog Lights in Victoria Texas. Great people.

I am looking for 2 empty American Gunner bulk ammo boxes to use for a project I have in mind. I have one from the 6.5 Grendel bullets I bought from Sportsmans Warehouse and now need 2 more. If you have some you have no need for send me a PM and I'll take them off your hands

Congratulations!! You realize that we will need every small detail of the rifle and bullet load. Us reloaders are a nosy lot when we hear of a load that works that we thought was just this side of impossible.

AR, watch the charging handle closely. My 308 is Aero Precision upper/lower/handguard/BCG, and was including their charge handle. The front of the charge handle developed a crack on either side right behind the loop that the gas tube passes through. I assume from manually charging the rifle for the first shot. This was a couple years ago so they might have changed but I tossed it and went with a BCM large latch and have never regretted it. Purchase wise.....Waiting on 2 Browning Recon Force Advantage trail cams and 2 LaRue triggers

I just got the tracking # for the 2 I ordered. Now to decide which rifles to put them in.

358 Yeti.......................just sayin'

Another question is whether the barrel has a fast enough twist rate to stabilize a heavy bullet going subsonic slow. A lot of .308 barrels are 1:10 and shoot 150 to 178 grain bullets at 2000+fps just fine. Load a 220+ grain bullet in there and only have it going 1000fps how long is it going to be stable before it wants to keyhole into the target? Blackout barrels are 1:7 or 1:8 twist so they can stabilize those monsterous bullets at crawling speeds.

Yup, about an inch. The two deer this year were both broadside shots, complete pass throughs with nice triangular exit wounds and NO bloodtrails. A ton of blood inside the chest cavity but none made it out. A subsonic bullet does not have the hydrostatic shock of a super. They act more like an arrow's broadhead, especially this type of bullet. Slices and tears what it comes in contact with but not much collateral damage to surrounding tissue. No organs turned to mush. If you are close enough you can hear the bullet hit the deer. It sounds like a person wearing heavy leather gloves clapping their hands once. Thud!

It should be the same ballistics as a 300 BLK. A 200+ grain bullet going 1000fps or less is going to have the same trajectory whether its fired from a 308 or a 300 BLK. Bullet weight is bullet weight, and muzzle velocity is muzzle velocity. If its leaving the barrel at the same speed from both of the rifles firing it, the rifle shouldn't matter. Its a rainbow compared to a 308 supersonic bullet. My Blackout sub gun with 220 grain bullets sighted dead nuts at 50 yards puts bullets 5 inches low at 100 yards. For hunting purposes I think of it as bow hunting with a rifle. Inside 50 yards it will hit anything where I aim. The one down side so far is that of the 3 deer I have taken with it none have left a blood trail. I wasn't tracking any of them, I was looking for a dead deer. All of them were just as dead as with supersonic bullets but just a challenge to find. From now on I'll be taking neck shots and dropping them where they stand. The Maker 200 grain Rex bullet recovered from my first deer taken with a sub. Frontal shot into the chest and recovered from its stomach.