beeks Posted August 6, 2015 Report Posted August 6, 2015 Standard vs. NM trigger. How do you tell the difference?
mrraley Posted August 6, 2015 Report Posted August 6, 2015 ArmaLite basically had three different types of triggers. Military style single stage trigger Tactical two stage National Match two stage The military single stage is just that. One stage and usually about 10 up to 12 lbs pull. The Tactical and National Match two stage were harder to tell apart. But usually you could see by the setting of the disconnector spring setting. OR... If it was already in a rifle, the National Match would be tuned to about 7 1/2 lbs on the low end up to 9 lbs. and the Tactical was anywhere from 8 to 10.
beeks Posted August 6, 2015 Author Report Posted August 6, 2015 http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee160/beeks81/IMG_3161_zpsgwr4gjcz.jpg I bought this 2 stage trigger used from a guy that said it came in a Armalite rifle. He said he didn't like the 2 stage so he replaced it with a single stage and it's been sitting in a drawer for a few years. That's all he knew about it. I stuck it in a receiver and it feels nice, but stiff on the lightest setting. The second stage definitely has more travel than I'm used too.
jtallen83 Posted August 6, 2015 Report Posted August 6, 2015 If it was already in a rifle, the National Match would be tuned to about 7 1/2 lbs on the low end up to 9 lbs. and the Tactical was anywhere from 8 to 10. That surprises me, I would have guessed my tactical at around 5 or 6 pounds. It is smooth and crisp so I've never felt the need to swap it like I did with the junk triggers Sig put out, they were just intolerable!
mrraley Posted August 6, 2015 Report Posted August 6, 2015 At the time, the boss wanted to keep on the safe side. NRA competition lowest setting was 7 1/2 lbs. and thought anything less than that could create problems.
survivalshop Posted August 6, 2015 Report Posted August 6, 2015 At the time, the boss wanted to keep on the safe side. NRA competition lowest setting was 7 1/2 lbs. and thought anything less than that could create problems. Someone should have told Geissele that . <laughs> I can see the lawyers having a say in that decision for a company , I think all factory Triggers are set high for that reason & there may be some logic to it .
98Z5V Posted August 7, 2015 Report Posted August 7, 2015 http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee160/beeks81/IMG_3161_zpsgwr4gjcz.jpg I bought this 2 stage trigger used from a guy that said it came in a Armalite rifle. He said he didn't like the 2 stage so he replaced it with a single stage and it's been sitting in a drawer for a few years. That's all he knew about it. I stuck it in a receiver and it feels nice, but stiff on the lightest setting. The second stage definitely has more travel than I'm used too. That's on the center setting, and there's room to tweak it more - even if you changed it from what's in that pic you linked. Tech Notes_2015_Tech Note 68, Tuning the ArmaLite Tactical Two Stage Trigger.pdf
beeks Posted August 7, 2015 Author Report Posted August 7, 2015 Thanks 98z5v! That's exactly what I needed.
EasyEJL Posted August 7, 2015 Report Posted August 7, 2015 is there an armalite AR10 LPK that comes with the NM trigger available?
jtallen83 Posted August 7, 2015 Report Posted August 7, 2015 They don't call it the "National Match" in the description but do in the link; https://armalite.com/shop/ar-10-a-series-lower-parts-kit-with-national-match-trigger/ They have one for the B series as well, not sure if it is the same as the old national match but I'm not seeing the adjustment notches that both two stage triggers had in the past, could be an editing error with the picture or they may have changed styles.
98Z5V Posted August 8, 2015 Report Posted August 8, 2015 is there an armalite AR10 LPK that comes with the NM trigger available? This is from an Armalite archive page - you'd have to call them and see if this stuff is still available for sale: https://armalite.com/product-category/lowers/lower-parts-kits/
mrraley Posted August 8, 2015 Report Posted August 8, 2015 now that is why they put the tech note out there. So if you tune your trigger, it take any and all liability off of ArmaLite if it fails or has problems.
survivalshop Posted August 8, 2015 Report Posted August 8, 2015 now that is why they put the tech note out there. So if you tune your trigger, it take any and all liability off of ArmaLite if it fails or has problems. Or you shoot yourself or someone accidentally .
planeflyer21 Posted August 9, 2015 Report Posted August 9, 2015 now that is why they put the tech note out there. So if you tune your trigger, it take any and all liability off of ArmaLite if it fails or has problems. Or you shoot yourself or someone accidentally . That would be one of those problems.
98Z5V Posted August 9, 2015 Report Posted August 9, 2015 I didn't have the need to file down my Armalite NM trigger - just the suggested spring tweaks in the Tech Note had it sitting VERY nice. I love the trigger, and it's in my 16" 300BLK rifle.
beeks Posted September 8, 2015 Author Report Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) I had to take quite a bit off. I haven't shot the rifle yet, but after dry firing, I have to say that it feels an awful lot like my SSA now. Maybe even a little less spring tension, but pretty close. I have it on the lightest setting. I can't wait to get out and put some rounds through it. Thanks for the help fellow riflemen! Edited September 8, 2015 by beeks
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