breastroker Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Just built another AR 308 DPMS pattern using tactical machining receiver set. Upper weighed 11.7 ounces and lower weighed 11.2 ounces. Using the Smoke Composites stock of 3.5 ounces, My custom hand guard weighs 3.3 ounces and the barrel nut (DPMS) 1.7 ounces so 5 ounces total. The new Jugernaut tactical 18 inch fluted stainless 5R barrel weighed 33.8 ounces. So total weight was 87 ounces or 5.4 pounds. With the heavy Vortex 5-25x50 HST scope the rifle weighs 6.97 pounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 REALLY !Why didn't you use a polymer lower ? You could have saved 1.75 oz. or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Skeletonize the grip and you could save another oz or so.Any Lightening cuts on the BCG?No stats for the tiny group? Looks like more than 2 rounds anyway............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) Just built another AR 308 DPMS pattern using tactical machining receiver set. Upper weighed 11.7 ounces and lower weighed 11.2 ounces. Using the Smoke Composites stock of 3.5 ounces, My custom hand guard weighs 3.3 ounces and the barrel nut (DPMS) 1.7 ounces so 5 ounces total. The new Jugernaut tactical 18 inch fluted stainless 5R barrel weighed 33.8 ounces. So total weight was 87 ounces or 5.4 pounds. With the heavy Vortex 5-25x50 HST scope the rifle weighs 6.97 pounds.So, you have a light rifle weight of 87 ounces - and it's unusable because it has no sights on it. Then you go to 7lbs because you have a heavy scope...Why don't you put a set of back up sights on this damn thing, come up with a REAL weight for a usable rifle, and see what that is...Seems like you've gone to some "bragging rights" bullshiit weight of a rifle - with no damn sights on it, so it's junk - so it's a junk weight you gave. Make the thing fucking work, and list the weight of that - without the "heavy scope..." Edited September 13, 2015 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Don't forget to port the barrel , there is another 0.95 oz. to be shaved off ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 For .5 oz. you could put a dust cover on it...............much more usable in the real world with a dust cover.https://www.primaryarms.com/Strike_Industries_Enhanced_308_Ultimate_Dust_Cove_p/si-ar-udc-e-308-03-bk.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 I don't think he's interested in any "usable in the real world" information here. That just doesn't jive with bullshiit weight numbers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Then replace the received extension with a plastic paintball one ... That will take off another oz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 A compact electronic sight would be the way to go. A heavy scope on a light rifle is like putting chicken in a pecan pie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 A compact electronic sight would be the way to go. A heavy scope on a light rifle is like putting chicken in a pecan pie.That is much to heavy... Must run MagPul Gen II sights !100 yards is all the distance it will be shot ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Manitcore Arms NightBrake Comp weighs in at 2.0 oz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breastroker Posted September 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) DEWS, you don't seem to get it! I use a heavy scope with high power (25) to break in the barrel. Usually takes between 60 and 100 rounds for the accuracy to get as good at it will go. I have 23 rounds through it now, 20 of Norma 150 grain because they seem to have the least powder residue of all the 308 rounds I have shot. Last three rounds shown were Federal Premium Gold 175 SMKs, had to hold over and then kept point of aim at the same spot, so wasn't sighting in the bulls-eye. Just looking to see how the 175 SMK's would group. The 175 SMK's have shot the best in each of my 308s. After break in I usually put a scope with between 10 and 14 power max on it as I can then hit MOD, as in minute of deer, a 6 inch diameter section at 200 yards. So next scope usually weighs between 10 ounces and 16 ounces. Will never put a back up sights on this or any of my rifles! My ideal scope isn't made yet, a light weight 2-10 using a 30 mm body. Only available in older technology one inch body now. The older lens has about 90% light transmission, newer scope have almost 98% light transmission. What do you consider usable sights? Just not going to put "mil spec" fold down sights on a hunting rifle. You act like a child because you think all rifles should be listed with a scope weight, only thing wrong with that is there are at least 1000 different scopes with many different powers. So the only fair and reasonable way of comparing a rifle is with out any sights on it. Also same goes with magazines, some weigh 3 ounces some are pushing 16 ounces.This rifle will do any of your tactical stuff, breaking in windows, hefting the next donut eater over the wall etc. Yes my brother is a LEO too, but I pretty much have lost respect for you.Do you guys realize how petty and inane you sound on your replies? It is no wonder this forum has so few members. If you can't contribute you should keep your *****jtallen83, you would like this barrel, you could rip 20 rounds as "fast as you can send them" and the fluting cools down very quickly. I was surprised how cool the barrel remained.Still as an ex operator you shooting style might be considered a good way to burn out a quality barrel. Might be great for Zombie shooting but you just don't hunt by "sending then as fast as you can pull the trigger". Can you shoot a sub MOA group at 200 yards or better at 500 yards, 5 shot group?? MikedaddyH, a polymer lower would save over 5 ounces, 11.2 vs 5.85 ounces. At least you get it and had some good comments. Thank you. An electronic sight would put the total weight under 6 pounds. Been there and tried that. I am old and don't enjoy shooting at 50 yards. Much more fun shooting at 200 yards. Edited September 13, 2015 by breastroker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 1. DEWS, you don't seem to get it!2. What do you consider usable sights? 3. You act like a child because you think all rifles should be listed with a scope weight, only thing wrong with that is there are at least 1000 different scopes with many different powers.4. This rifle will do any of your tactical stuff, breaking in windows, hefting the next donut eater over the wall etc. Yes my brother is a LEO too, but I pretty much have lost respect for you.5. It is no wonder this forum has so few members. If you can't contribute you should keep your *****6. Still as an ex operator you shooting style might be considered a good way to burn out a quality barrel. Might be great for Zombie shooting but you just don't hunt by "sending then as fast as you can pull the trigger".7. Can you shoot a sub MOA group at 200 yards or better at 500 yards, 5 shot group??1, I do get it - you didn't state anything about that, either. 2. Anything that lets you acquire the target, in whatever manner you so choose. There are lightweight sights out there.3. Not acting like a child at all. I've read your BS elsewhere, and see how you are. Trying to limit that from happening here. "...you think all rifles should be listed with a scope weight" - I never said anything like that, not in the least. 4. I doubt that. Mortar is on video and show me. I'm glad your brother is a LEO - I'm not. I din't give a shiit if you've lost any respect for me, either. Not one shiit.5. We could always do with one less...6. You don't know a damn thing about my "shooting style," as you say. Not one thing. 7. Yes, and yes. Just so YOU know, I can keep sub-MOA groups all the way to 800 yards, in more than one caliber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) Your eyes didn't feel the sarcasm in my words ? If you are claiming a specific weight on a gun, please shoot it in that configuration with that weight. Dont post one weight and throw in an option ,it skews the figures and makes people not believe you !Why don't you put a red dot sight or a halo sight on ,eat the extra ounces and shoot the gun ! Edited September 14, 2015 by MikedaddyH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 I'm not using an Aimpoint but those are mighty light in weight.I do however use an Eotech, 1MOA dot surrounded by a 65MOA circle. No problem at all keeping all bullets on target out to 300 yards.If you are looking at 3-5MOA dot sights, you have it all wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 jtallen83, you would like this barrel, you could rip 20 rounds as "fast as you can send them" and the fluting cools down very quickly. I was surprised how cool the barrel remained.Still as an ex operator you shooting style might be considered a good way to burn out a quality barrel. Might be great for Zombie shooting but you just don't hunt by "sending then as fast as you can pull the trigger". Can you shoot a sub MOA group at 200 yards or better at 500 yards, 5 shot group?? It's not as fast as I can send them or as fast as I can pull the trigger, you edit the quote to suit your point, it was "send them as fast as I can get back on target", there is a difference. Don't care about sub-moa at 800 yards but I can put them through a drivers side car window at 800 yards all day long. Many many sub MOA rifles at 200 yards, if the rifle won't do that I don't want to waste the space for it.I do like the looks of that fluted barrel, odds are I will have one on my next build. I don't worry about zombies, you shouldn't either as they only eat brains. I seldom hunt with an AR rifle, my AR's are for defending myself and family from a tyrannical government.You seem to dislike the forum here but yet you keep coming back WHY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 I don't worry about zombies, you shouldn't either as they only eat brains. oh man...tried to stay away but that one was awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Shot and a gooooaaaaaallllll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) never mind....... Edited September 14, 2015 by jtallen83 trying to get back to the high road...anyone seen it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breastroker Posted September 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 There are many good people on this forum, just too many with comments not productive. And no I think all rifles should be listed without a scope weight. That is how the gun magazines do it.New hand guard with barrel nut and three titanium holding screws at 2.97 ounces and at 10.5 inches.Anyways with new hand guard I am down to 5.3 pounds. Recoil is good after adjusting gas system.After 61 round through the barrel, and a LOT of cleaning, 61st round was dead center bulls-eye, shifted to another target, another bulls-eye, did one more time with same results.Finally ejection at 3 PM with Federal Gold 175 SMK's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Nice. That is crazy light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 One of my close friends make those hand guards for AR15s they are light and strong ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 What is the base profile on that fluted barrel?Those are some DEEP looking cuts! What does the thinnest cross section measure?Carbine length gas system?Sounds like we have a similar break in procedure, I HATE all the cleaning but you only get one shot at it so I suck it up and scrub.......Just got my first ground up 308 build together, 10 Lbs. 3 oz with P=mag, ADM mount, and a 4x-16x PA scope with covers(no BUIS yet). I'll put a lighter scope on when I get the bugs worked out but this is my cheapo so I use it in case the thing blows up;) I never would have even bothered with a scale but thought of you so I checked it. I'm still working on getting the gas port sized correctly but I'm getting there. She is a pretty soft shooter so I should be able to stay on target easily, it will stay pretty warm when she gets put to work!Hope this isn't to productive, hate to mess up my reputation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Its not Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Breast, shoot a 10-round group @ 100 yards. Post the picture. Normal cyclic rate, not 3 hours on the range waiting for cold-bore shots. Put that pic up, if you dare, and you'll have my interest. Video of it would be preferred. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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