Stag Pleads Guilty

[planeflyer21]

Some here saw this coming.  Poor records keeping, missing serials.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gun-maker-pleads-guilty-violation-212527591.html

 

[jtallen83]

They got them on a technicality....and being in a politically incorrect business!

A very un-objective article...........Fuk yahoooo and the atf.

[slugger43]

Ya know, maybe it's not horribly relevant to the whole thread, but I'm curious:  What the hell constitutes "high powered"?

I've never seen an article about those pesky "low-powered" or "intermediate-powered" weapons.  Apparently nobody cares about those?  Are they regulated?

[jtallen83]

To simply call them "rifles" would be WAY to objective for a yahooooo report, better to throw some red meat for your left wing clientele than just report facts.

[blue109]

Ouch. They did screw up though.

[shepp]

Ouch. They did screw up though.

that's my thoughts, it's not like they were skirting the rules they straight up disobeyed them.

[EasyEJL]

that's my thoughts, it's not like they were skirting the rules they straight up disobeyed them.

Straight up disobeyed them, were caught by ATF auditors, given around 6 weeks to fix it, and didn't fix a single one. That was on the 3000 unserialized AR lowers, the other violations I'm less sure on. Their excuse at the time ? "The guy" who does our engraving was on vacation. What sorta goddamn vacation time do they give there if he was gone for 8 weeks or more? :D Also, their excuse of why they held them that way (knowingly illegal) was in case they got a return as a manufacturer reject, they could replace it with one of the same serial # (also I believe illegal)

[Armed Eye Doc]

My former brother-in-law was an owner of a 1911 manufacturer.  They were audited and had a similar situation to a much smaller degree.  The company figured out the errors and ATF cleared them to continue. 

He is no longer at the company.  I wish I had the money to buy one at cost when he offered one.

[planeflyer21]

They can make a duplicate serial # but there is a process.  Like documenting the unrepairable receiver, documenting its being destroyed, then reissuing the serial on the "fixed" receiver.

ATF is douchey enough, without having companies compound the issue.

The manager here (the guy that held the Guide Gun for Tom) is so fricken anal retentive that ATF brought in all the local inspectors, so they know how the other stores should be doing it.  Everyone seems to be on the same page now.

 

[EngrBob]

Of course, the very idea of having serial numbers and registering weapons is an affront to the second amendment and should not exist in the first place.  We could use all of those ATF agents on the border in the cars with the green stripe.

[planeflyer21]

Of course, the very idea of having serial numbers and registering weapons is an affront to the second amendment and should not exist in the first place.  We could use all of those ATF agents on the border in the cars with the green stripe.

You think Mexico has a gun problem now...

Serialing in and of itself isn't bad.  It's pretty cool to be able to look up when your 94 Marlin in .32-20 was made, and date it to 1907.  Or trace your 1911A1 to the Battle of The Bulge.

[EngrBob]

You think Mexico has a gun problem now...

Serialing in and of itself isn't bad.  It's pretty cool to be able to look up when your 94 Marlin in .32-20 was made, and date it to 1907.  Or trace your 1911A1 to the Battle of The Bulge.

For quality control and inventory, certainly.  But not for what ATF has in mind.

[EasyEJL]

You think Mexico has a gun problem now...

Serialing in and of itself isn't bad.  It's pretty cool to be able to look up when your 94 Marlin in .32-20 was made, and date it to 1907.  Or trace your 1911A1 to the Battle of The Bulge.

or if it were to get stolen, to actually identify it as yours when its recovered

[jtallen83]

Of course, the very idea of having serial numbers and registering weapons is an affront to the second amendment and should not exist in the first place.  We could use all of those ATF agents on the border in the cars with the green stripe.

And that is the crux of the situation, just plain old government overreach!

[slugger43]

You think Mexico has a gun problem now...

Serialing in and of itself isn't bad.  It's pretty cool to be able to look up when your 94 Marlin in .32-20 was made, and date it to 1907.  Or trace your 1911A1 to the Battle of The Bulge.

Yeah, I serialized both of the 80%'s I built, just so I could ID them if ever necessary.  But sure as hell not so some government hack can keep track of my stuff.  Got two more in planning/construction now, and both will get my ID treatment.  I have good photo and number records of every gun I own, but I don't want anyone else to have it.

Edited December 23, 2015 by slugger43

[shibiwan]

Speaking from a licensed FFL manufacturer's standpoint, it's critical to keep accurate records. Never mess with "the process" and keep everything straight in the books and you should be OK with the ATF.

The thing is the records are held by the FFL holder and not by the ATF (unless the company goes out of business). To be honest, the process of record keeping is a joke right now if you want to consider it as "registration" so that the gub'mint can track down your stuff.

[planeflyer21]

The thing is the records are held by the FFL holder and not by the ATF (unless the company goes out of business). To be honest, the process of record keeping is a joke right now if you want to consider it as "registration" so that the gub'mint can track down your stuff.

Yeah, really no issue at all.

And Obama reopening relations with Coobah has nothing to do with 4473s either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmrYVJWwBfE