LR 308 Industry high or low patterns

[Anderson3754]

  2 part question

 1) Which version is becoming the most popular as far as sales are concerned low pattern or high pattern on complete rifles.

 2) What the builders prefer. The hIgh pattern or the low pattern upper receiver.

 Regards

 

[blue109]

Low is probably more prevalent at this point.  Low is the same upper receiver rail height over bore as a milspec AR15 so you can use AR spec front sights and railed gas blocks and they will line up with the top rail and rear sights perfectly. That is the reason DPMS made the change. 

The "high" rail requires 308 height barrel mounted front sights and railed gas blocks to be a perfect match to the receiver rail. 

If you run a handguard mounted BUIS, it doesnt really matter since they will be on the same plane. You should always take the time to spec out your gun before you start buying parts, so if you have your heart set on a certain handguard, use that to decide what receiver height you choose. All things being equal, id probably go low. 

Edited February 1, 2020 by blue109

[98Z5V]

All Aero Precision M5 uppers are on "DPMS High" pattern.  DPMS changed to the "low" pattern in the early 2010's, and just fucked everything up by doing that.  There's only one rail manufacturer that I know of that ONLY makes low pattern, and that's GunTec USA.  Most other manufacturers make both heights. There wasn't a single Daniel Defense Lite Rail 12.0 for the DPMS pattern made, that wasn't high profile - they didn't get into that "low rail" game at all, before they discontinued that rail.

DPMS High is more prevalent, because it was "most of a pattern" when aftermarket manufacturers started making rails - and that's all it comes to - rail height.  Most companies make both.  Aero only makes high pattern. They said "Fuk that new junk, because it's junk."

In an industry that "has no SET pattern to follow" for .308ARs, the only consistent thing is that Aero Precision M5 components WORK.  DPMS High is WAY more prevalent than DPMS Low, across the board.

Edited February 1, 2020 by 98Z5V

[blue109]

Low top haters....cant teach those old dogs new tricks 😉

[98Z5V]

[Anderson3754]

OH... great, now I started an argument. The reason I asked is, I just finished a Aero Precison in 308win. I want to start a third build and trying to decide whether to go with a high pattern or a low pattern. This gun disease is just horrible.

 

[98Z5V]

20 minutes ago, Anderson3754 said:

OH... great, now I started an argument. The reason I asked is, I just finished a Aero Precison in 308win. I want to start a third build and trying to decide whether to go with a high pattern or a low pattern. This gun disease is just horrible.

 

How does your Aero M5 work right now?  My suggestion - stick with what works.  Next build...  Aero M5 receivers, and that's high pattern. 

[Anderson3754]

Just now, 98Z5V said:

How does your Aero M5 work right now?  My suggestion - stick with what works.  Next build...  Aero M5 receivers, and that's high pattern. 

My Aero Precision works flawlessly, I like it alot. I have maybe 200 rds  through it, and 100 yd zero on it.  It is just under a 1inch rifle, I did shoot several 5 shot groups in the 7's. 

The weather here is bad, cold damp and windy. Later this week I want to shoot it at 300 yds F class style and see how it goes. But alas.. I have become a fair weather shooter not caring for outside temps below 80*. I really like the Aero Precision Receivers, everything I bought went together as expected, having no problems with assembly or function.

Brownells has Aero Precision Lowers on sale at 99 bucks, unless the sale as ended, and DPMS  is not even a consideration. 

I'm not familiar with other brands in the low pattern worth buying, with out doing some research.

Regards

[Anderson3754]

11 hours ago, blue109 said:

Low top haters....cant teach those old dogs new tricks 😉

Which low profile receivers are you comfortable with, as far as a build goes ?

[Cunuckgaucho]

1 hour ago, Anderson3754 said:

OH... great, now I started an argument. The reason I asked is, I just finished a Aero Precison in 308win. I want to start a third build and trying to decide whether to go with a high pattern or a low pattern. This gun disease is just horrible.

 

An argument on the internet????Say it's not so 

There are only two diseases guns and their owners need to worry about... politicians and rust.

[sagebrush]

22 minutes ago, Anderson3754 said:

My Aero Precision works flawlessly, I like it alot. I have maybe 200 rds  through it, and 100 yd zero on it.  It is just under a 1inch rifle, I did shoot several 5 shot groups in the 7's. 

The weather here is bad, cold damp and windy. Later this week I want to shoot it at 300 yds F class style and see how it goes. But alas.. I have become a fair weather shooter not caring for outside temps below 80*. I really like the Aero Precision Receivers, everything I bought went together as expected, having no problems with assembly or function.

Brownells has Aero Precision Lowers on sale at 99 bucks, unless the sale as ended, and DPMS  is not even a consideration. 

I'm not familiar with other brands in the low pattern worth buying, with out doing some research.

Regards

brownells charges a 10 dollar transfer fee to send them to your ffl holder, then your ffl holder charges 10$ also. if you buy from aero you only get charged one 10$ transfer fee

[unforgiven]

Aero for the win 

[Anderson3754]

1 minute ago, Cunuckgaucho said:

An argument on the internet????Say it's not so 

There are only two diseases guns and their owners need to worry about... politicians and rust.

95% correct, the other worry I have is money. I can't make it fast enough to buy medication for my gun disease. Politicians well, I'll keep my thoughts to myself, they are not kind thoughts. Yes rust is a big no no.

Regards

[Anderson3754]

2 minutes ago, sagebrush said:

brownells charges a 10 dollar transfer fee to send them to your ffl holder, then your ffl holder charges 10$ also. if you buy from aero you only get charged one 10$ transfer fee

Well yes..... but my LGS has become a very good friend, over the years, as done me a lot of favors. I don't mind paying the 35 dollar transfer fee he charges. I've always gotten it back 10 fold in use of a mill, lathe, specialty tools that I can borrow or use. He just put 2 sets of Bomar's, actually now Kensight's on 1911 slides for me at no charge.

Regards

[Anderson3754]

26 minutes ago, unforgiven said:

Aero for the win 

Well yes... thats the way I'm leaning. 16 inch barrel, m4 barrel pattern, shoot 125 grn bullets at mouse fart velocities, for my daughter and daughter-inlaw to shoot.  

[blue109]

Really doesnt matter much as long as the parts you want are compatible.  If you planned on using a barrel mounted front sight, low is the only way to go. Im not sure who all is doing low but you cant go wrong with DPMS or Fulton Armory. 

 

I can tell you what NOT to do....a 1st gen Matrix with DPMS barrel nut threads and a Armalite AR10 height top rail and receiver cut with proprietary takedown pins and LPK springs. Ill never take that gun apart. 

Edited February 2, 2020 by blue109

[98Z5V]

51 minutes ago, Anderson3754 said:

95% correct, the other worry I have is money. I can't make it fast enough to buy medication for my gun disease.

We, collectively here - we're not gonna be good for your health.  I'm just sayin'...  

[Anderson3754]

12 minutes ago, blue109 said:

Really doesnt matter much as long as the parts you want are compatible.  If you planned on using a barrel mounted front sight, low is the only way to go. Im not sure who all is doing low but you cant go wrong with DPMS or Fulton Armory. 

 

I can tell you what NOT to do....a 1st gen Matrix with DPMS barrel nut threads and a Armalite AR10 height top rail and receiver cut with proprietary takedown pins and LPK springs. Ill never take that gun apart. 

That 1st gen matrix setup sounds like it became a nightmare for you.

I have a dim view of DPMS based on problems with AR15's back in the 90's, but that is now 25 yrs ago, have things improved now that its 2020.

Fulton Armory I have nothing but good to say about them bought alot of stuff from them, always pleasant to deal with.

[Anderson3754]

21 minutes ago, 98Z5V said:

We, collectively here - we're not gonna be good for your health.  I'm just sayin'...  

Hmm... if I have to go out and get a real job to purchase my medication, I'm not going to be happy.

[98Z5V]

1 hour ago, Anderson3754 said:

Hmm... if I have to go out and get a real job to purchase my medication, I'm not going to be happy.

Hey now, sometimes we all need to make a choice, and have priorities.  I abandoned the psycho-med-payments long ago - I think I feel better now...

[Cunuckgaucho]

42 minutes ago, 98Z5V said:

Hey now, sometimes we all need to make a choice, and have priorities.  I abandoned the psycho-med-payments long ago - I think I feel better now...

Well now that you can hear the 'voices'...  they have all the answers so what are they saying? 

 

PS- at this point I think we can safely say...

Edited February 2, 2020 by Cunuckgaucho

[98Z5V]

56 minutes ago, Cunuckgaucho said:

Well now that you can hear the 'voices'... 

I've always head the voices.  I usually listen to 9 out of the 10 of them.  Once in awhile, I take the chance with that one loner opinion...  

[blue109]

I dont think DPMS was necessarily bad back in the day, but they probably produced 70% of the AR15 market, and did so at a significantly lower price point than Colt so they were bound to have a higher number of complaints and problems. 

Fulton is just DPMS guns with upgraded barrels, a pretty roll mark, and better quality control. 

[Armed Eye Doc]

9 hours ago, 98Z5V said:

Once in awhile, I take the chance with that one loner opinion...  

That explains your marriages. 

[unforgiven]

10 hours ago, 98Z5V said:

Hey now, sometimes we all need to make a choice, and have priorities.  I abandoned the psycho-med-payments long ago - I think I feel better now...

How do you know your cuckoo when you're cuckoo