Steve crawford Posted March 6, 2022 Report Share Posted March 6, 2022 Does anyone have a link to load data for the 178gr ELD-m with Varget and CCI BR-2 primers. I went to Hogden web site and they only listed 4064 power for the 178 ELD-M. If I have to buy another new book I will if it has this data. I really would like to see several different loads. I know that I need to reduce the starting load because I am using LC once fired brass to build this load. Thanks for any help. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted March 8, 2022 Report Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) I'm using the 178 ELD-X projectile - it blows away the 178 ELD-M projectile - once-fired LC brass with CCI 200 primers, and Accurate 2495 powder. It's an amazing load. Through an 18.5" gas-gun barrel I'm getting 2530fps with 40.6gr Accurate 2495, CCI 200, 178 ELD-X, and it's the most accurate .308 Win load I've ever come up with. I worked it up specifically for that gun. The Hornady 11 Manual lists Varget starting at 35.0gr @ 2100 fps, ending 42.4gr @2450fps max load. Edited March 8, 2022 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve crawford Posted March 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2022 Thank you. The ELD-X bullet is very hard to find. That was what I was trying to get when I got the ELD-M. I will see if I can get some Accurate 2495 and some of the ELD-X in 178 gr. I have a Remington 700 CDL Tactical heavy 20 inch Barrel Rifle that will shoot small one hole groups with 150 gr. Hornady bulk 150 gr. FMJ and CFE-223 powder at 100 yards. Don't know the speed of the bullet out of that rifle. I am going to try the EDL-M in my factory original DPMS LR-308 18 inch heavy fluted barrel rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albroswift Posted March 15, 2022 Report Share Posted March 15, 2022 I see Hornady A-Max or BTHP M1A data for Varget but not AR specific or ELD X/M . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted March 15, 2022 Report Share Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Albroswift said: I see Hornady A-Max or BTHP M1A data for Varget but not AR specific or ELD X/M . Hornady 11 Manual lists 178 ELD-X under .308 Winchester, and in Service Rifle, it lists 178 ELD-M - Varget loads for both. Shoot the ELD-X with the same charge, and work up. The Hornady manuals are always about 10% low, in their recommended max charges. From what I've see in real life. You won't see pressure signs until you cross 10% above what they list for a max charge, or more. Run with scissors... Edited March 15, 2022 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albroswift Posted March 15, 2022 Report Share Posted March 15, 2022 So side note, why do you think the ELD X out performs the ELD M ? We run the X in the 300 Weatherby, never tried the M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted March 15, 2022 Report Share Posted March 15, 2022 3 hours ago, Albroswift said: So side note, why do you think the ELD X out performs the ELD M ? We run the X in the 300 Weatherby, never tried the M. Better overall BC in both G1 and G7 drag models. Just putting the two of them in JBM Ballistics software, the X outperforms the M at distance. Bonus that the X is a very viable hunting projectile, which just happens to outperform their target round... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albroswift Posted March 16, 2022 Report Share Posted March 16, 2022 10 hours ago, 98Z5V said: viable hunting projectile, Yep, that's why we use them. I hadn't looked at the BC of the match for comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtnMike Posted March 16, 2022 Report Share Posted March 16, 2022 I know I'm a bit off topic and apologize in advance. I've been thinking about getting into reloading and have a friend who has a fair amount of experience and is willing to show me the ropes. Problem is, said friend is poor and lacking supplies. Namely powder and primers. I don't mind purchasing supplies. But don't really know what I'm looking for. We'd be working up 308 loads. I briefly looked at Midway, which is my go to for lotsa stuff, but they seem to be out of all powder and CCI primers (the stuff mentioned in this thread). If someone could give me a shortlist of appropriate powders, primers and reputable sources, I'd greatly appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve crawford Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) Hornady Custom Die set uses different seating seating stems for each bullet. I now have 100 each eld 187 gr. Match and X. I also now have both seating stems. They fit slightly different on the bullets. I will have to keep them separated in my reloading storage bens. I don't have a source for powder on line. I buy local to keep from paying HSAmat charges. I just bought the Hornady 11 edition reloading book. I tried to get it on my Kindle Reader or my I Phone 6 but both versions were not available for purchase at this time. $20 per year with updates or $50 for the book. O Well. Nobody ever said these things were inexpensive. 🙄🙄🙄 Steve Edited March 19, 2022 by Steve crawford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtnMike Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 Think I'm just going to have to put reloading on the back burner. Powders and primers are simply unavailable locally. And, by my limited math skills, it looks like a # of powder is only good for about 150-175 rounds anyway. So, I'm just stocking up on the factory ammos, which I've tested and work well for me, and which I can get hold of. I will keep an eye out for powders and primers, but I'm done searching for them - for now. Flippin' hunting for unicorns in this economy. FJB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 https://www.natchezss.com/ammunition.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtnMike Posted March 23, 2022 Report Share Posted March 23, 2022 Have found some decent factory ammo prices at budsgunshop.com lately. Some of their offerings qualify for free shipping if you order at least $199. Among these are Fed Powershok 150g, which does fine in my gun, and is fine for deer hunting at $23.45/box ($1.17 per round). Also, if you've ordered from them within the last 30 days, they give you a coupon code for $5. There are also some quality (IMO) target and match rounds that qualify for free shipping. Options are good - and these guys are whipping my local guys in choices and and price at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRod308 Posted March 24, 2022 Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 I don't know if this will help you or not. But this off Hornady app for service rifle loads for 308 using 178 bullets. Its a screen snap shot I took of only the high end of the loads, didn't think you want to shoot them real slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRod308 Posted March 24, 2022 Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 Thats probably using a 20 inch barrel for speed for those loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve crawford Posted March 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 Thanks Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Cartwright Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 hello, i came up with a sub moa load for my .308 Remington 700ME 20" heavy barrel with 1-10 twist Bullet: Hornady 178g ELD-M oal= 2.84 ogive= 2.210 VARGET= 44.8g BC(G1)= .547 velocity= 2613@74 primer= CCI BR2 the 2.84 is over normal col, but fits in my magazine and really tightened up the group .69" at 100 yds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 VERY well done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Cartwright Posted April 15, 2023 Report Share Posted April 15, 2023 just downloaded and started using Gordens Reloading Tool. Was entering some of my previous loads and the 178 ELD-M was at dangerous pressure. the load shot as described above with no pressure signs. but I"m cautious so I disassembled those rounds. nodes found on GRT for Varget and the 178 ELD-M were 40.9, 42.5, and 43.2 all safe pressure loads. I will update after running thru my tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooterrex Posted April 15, 2023 Report Share Posted April 15, 2023 I'm only loading 39.4 gr w/a 165 gr Nosler blastic tip. My bolt gun really likes that load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted April 16, 2023 Report Share Posted April 16, 2023 If the load showed no pressure signs, then run it. Your gun obviously likes it. I usually find myself about 10% over the max load in any Hornady reloading manual, have for years, for my best load. They're gonna be conservative, because they don't want someone brand new to reloading -blowing themselves up from a mistake. It's a liability issue. Barnes reloading manuals are a little different - if you're shooting the exact same barrel length and twist as what they tested, they straight tell you what the most accurate load was, right in the book and load data. If you have no pressure signs (pierced primers, cratered primers, really flattened primers, ejector swipes that leave a GROOVE not a slight mark - loads so hot that it blurs the case head marks and makes them hard to read...) - then run the load. I've never heard of that reloading tool that you're mentioning, but if my loads were good, no pressure signs, and ACCURATE - I wouldn't let that thing tell me that my loads are bad... That's my $0.02 on it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Cartwright Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 98Z5V i would normally agree, until GRT displayed the skull and crossbones with that load, lol.. i will find a lower node and take it easier on my rifle. will post results when i get them.. just got a Frankfort powder dispenser, talk about time saver. no more dump, trickle wait trickle wait trickle wait.. so im having a lot of fun reloading and shooting. your right about this rifle liking the pressure, most of my loads are towards the top of manufacturers recommendations. With the Gordons Reloading tool I could see what pressures im producing, hopefully. the fpsit gives me is usually within 20fps to my Magnospeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Cartwright Posted April 25, 2023 Report Share Posted April 25, 2023 Here is my lastest testing. still have not found as good of a node yet. not done. rifle still in Remington 700ME 20" barrel 1-10 twist DATE: 4-24-23 .308 178 HORNADY ELD-M WEATHER: 65deg/44% humid/29.6 baro POWDER: VARGET LOT 1120522 7501 GRNS FPS/SD/GROUP COL BRASS BRASS WT #RDS MAG.SERIES SHOULDER BUMP NECK NOTES 43.1 2512/9.0/.93 2.80 NORMA 170.0-170.1 3 2 1.615 (FULL LENGTH) .002 43.2 2511/6.6/1.0 170.1-170.3 3 43.3 2512/15.5/1.5 170.4-170.6 4 40.8 2392/28.5/2.5 170.5-170.7 5 40.9 2372/18.9/2.0 170.6-170.8 6 41.0 2412/18.1/.93k 170.7-171.0 7 42.4 2474/11.0/1.4 171.0 8 42.5 2480/12.6/1.12 171.1-171.5 9 42.6 2489/3.7/1.12 171.3-171.4 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Cartwright Posted April 25, 2023 Report Share Posted April 25, 2023 loaded +/- .1 grain around the Optimum Barrel Time on GRT my fps actual differed from GRT, it was less. need to find which variable needs adjusting. thought it would be the volume, but had to add 1-2 grains of capacity to get actual fps. measured a couple of cases with water and the opposite was true. had less volume, which should equal more fps im going to play around with col and barrel length next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted April 26, 2023 Report Share Posted April 26, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, Craig Cartwright said: loaded +/- .1 grain around the Optimum Barrel Time on GRT my fps actual differed from GRT, it was less. need to find which variable needs adjusting. The variable that needs adjusting is going back to your old load that worked great, and showed no pressure signs. The variable you introduced was this GRT tool. I don't see why you're relying on it so heavily, and changing everything just because of it. Get rid of it. Edited April 26, 2023 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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