planeflyer21 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Got an order coming from MidwayUSA of .308 reloading components!As stated previously, the pills on their way range in weight from 190gr up to 210gr, from 4 different manufacturers. All are "hunting" bullets with a boat tail base..."splat factor" is a consideration.After this weekend I should be able to do a good multiple-distance accuracy tests...will probably go ahead and order a PACT Chrony. Any input on which model will be appreciated.Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripledeuce Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 I would respectfully ask "what is the pourpose of these reloads?" Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted October 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 I would respectfully ask "what is the pourpose of these reloads?" TerryTo boldly go, where no man has gone before! <laughs>Actually I want to experiment with retained energy downrange. I mentioned this to a friend of mine, then the next time we met he said that certain groups in the military are now looking at heavier projectiles in 7.62 for the same reason.It isn't easy being ahead of the curve. <lmao>Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt.Cross Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 To boldly go, where no man has gone before! <laughs>Abercrombie & Fitch? Don't do it brother, we don't want to have to revoke your man card! <laughs>All kidding aside, can't wait to see your results. I'm going to be doing the reloading deal soon myself and am VERY interested in what can be done with a semi and those heavier pills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Got an order coming from MidwayUSA of .308 reloading components!As stated previously, the pills on their way range in weight from 190gr up to 210gr, Shooting these from a bolt gun, or the RRA Semi's, brother?! If it's from the semi's, how the hell are you gonna get them to mag-length? <dontknow> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted October 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 I looked at the recommended OAL on a lot of these. I think it is doable in the semi-auto.If not I'll be forced to buy a bolt gun, simply forced...against my will.Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty44 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 I would be nervous about bullet weights much over 190. Pressures might get too high for this caliber/case or there will not be enough room for enough powder to reach reasonable velocities, or both. Not enough case volume. I wanted to play with 180 to 190 gr pills until I got shut down by no place to shoot. The advice I found was that for more than much over 190 and anything over 200, bigger cases like the 30 cal magnums would be the only way to go.Some of the things I read about hunting in Africa make me think that the very best long-range retained-energy round might be the 416 Rigby. The 416 Rigby case is very long; one of the new 416's would be better because they apparently will work with 30-06 length actions. The 416 Ruger is intended to match the ballistics of the original Rigby that was loaded with cordite. The 416 is smaller in diameter than the African 500's; better sectional density and some other good ballistic characteristics. Shooters who have tried it say the 416, while intended to stop charging Cape Buffalo and Elephant at ranges of 25 yards, is good way-out-there, too. One hunter reported using his 416 Rigby to take Dik-Dik for camp meat. Using a cannon on a house cat seems very counter-intuitive but the bullets passed through the little antelope, killed cleanly. The bullet behaved well, left a big hole, no damage to meat. The bullet never realized anything was in the way. This hunter said he was collecting camp meat this way at ranges that would have been difficult for the usual small-caliber rifles that are used for the purpose. The 416 Rigby was much more accurate at those distances, also. We will not mention the recoil of this thing. I personally can only wonder about the differences in felt recoil of being in the way of the back-end of 400 to 450 grains or more launched at high velocities with the aid of smokeless powders versus a standard bullet of similar weight launched with the assistance of 90 grains of black powder from perhaps a 45-90? I did read a comment in a gun rag that a contributing author had owned and fired a 45-90 and regarded the 45-70 Govt. as being kind and easy-shooting by comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted October 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Liken it more to .300 Blackout than a .416 Rigby. These aren't going to be starting at 2,700fps.Depending on weight of the projectile, there is a performance shift between lighter (standard 147-168gr) .308 bullets and the heavier (180gr+) in the midrange, where Newton's laws come into play.From info I've found I should be good on it. As Tom mentioned earlier the big issue is magazine restrictions. RRA has noted this on their website for the cartridge OAL for the .243 Winchester and 7mm-08 uppers that they offer, suggesting the use of their polymer magazines which have a longer internal rear-to-front than the stock FAL mags.The longest OAL I can find for any of these cartridges is 2.850" for a heavy .243 load, 0.050" longer than any .308 OAL I've found thus far.Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 With the proper choice of powder & primer , it should work. We are talking about 308 cartridge , are we not ?Just have to work up loads with different componants until your goal is reached .With the bullets available now a days , you can go lighter & have outstanding terminal performance at any range . The word Barnes , comes to mind . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seasprite Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 With the proper choice of powder & primer , it should work. We are talking about 308 cartridge , are we not ?Just have to work up loads with different componants until your goal is reached .With the bullets available now a days , you can go lighter & have outstanding terminal performance at any range . The word Barnes , comes to mind .I'm wondering if one of these new powders like CFE 223 and Power Pro 2000MR would get him the velocity he wants with the heavy's and case capacity of the .308. I know I was surprised at how fast my 16" barrel was with the 168's and CFE 223.Have you decided on a powder yet planeflyer21? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 The word Barnes , comes to mind .Yes, it does. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted October 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Nope, no powder yet but those are all excellent suggestions!Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Jon , WHY... Would you start at such a heavy bullet from the start ?? Learning to swim first would be wise (and cheaper) instead of jumping into the deep end of the pool ! Get your technique down ,make some mistakes and learn from your errors. The lighter bullets cost less ($20-$25 a box) the 180gr + bullets are ($36 + a box). You also need to figure out which primers your guns like and which powders and powder weight charges for each bullet weight round.I have been loading 308 rounds for over 3 years , started at 147gr and have worked up to 180gr so far. I plan to use 190 -200 - 210 & 220gr bullets for my other 30 cal guns.I will help you but you have to figure out a few important items first. COAL is a limiting factor as well, 2.810" is the range you will be working with but this depends on the magazine you will be using. Plug and play will work but the accuracy will not be there.Baby steps ! First brass prep...Second component selection...Third small batch production and testing...Full batch production.Sorry to ground you , but I want to slow you down and make you think (plan) so you are not pulling rounds because you got ahead of yourself.Mike H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Jon, don't worry about it... If you can't get these bullets to mag length for a .308 semi, then just buy a 300BLK barrel and start re-necking 5.56 brass... <laughs> <thumbsup>Those heavies would work great from a 300BLK setup. ;DThe most common long .308 AR projo is the 175gr BTHP. Some 180grainers will work, but not many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted October 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Like I said, I'm not worried.If they don't work we'll be adopting your MKII's big brother. <thumbsup>Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 SWEET!!! <thumbsup> ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Jon,I made a batch of 20 this morning: Sierra Gameking 180gr Spitzer Boattails with Rem 9.5 primers and 40.0gr of H335 on 2X RP brass set between 2.793" to 2.804". I'll bring them this weekend to shoot. It is a pretty big bullet at 1.281". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted October 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Jon,I made a batch of 20 this morning: Sierra Gameking 180gr Spitzer Boattails with Rem 9.5 primers and 40.0gr of H335 on 2X RP brass set between 2.793" to 2.804". I'll bring them this weekend to shoot. It is a pretty big bullet at 1.281".Sweet!I like those rounds you hear zipping before the gong rings!Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 I found some flatpoint 170 gr rounds. Also will bring some 168 gr rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted October 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Nice Mike!I'm just bringing factory loads for our shoot. Been researching everything I can on heavies.Let me tell you...They make some big garter belts.Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Let me tell you...They make some big garter belts.JonAnd I'll be wearing it - for you guys to stuff the $10s into... <thumbsup> <lmao> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Picked up a box of 50 Speer 220gr HCRN 30 cal bullets. I will load 20 in the 300wsm cartridge and 30 in the 308 cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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