98Z5V Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Even lighter options would be an Apex carbine-length freefloat tube no carbine-length for the .308s, but the midlength is sweet, and lightweight. The midlength DPMS-spec handguard is 9.18" long, and would cover a new low profile gas block. It should weigh very similar to the midlength Armalite handguard, which comes in at 8.5 ounces. That's damn light. The grip is awesome in the hand, and I've never used one before I shot Rob's rifle last week. I'm considering building something else, just to use one of these.Info:http://www.apexhandguard.com/P.S. I will be contacting our very own Dave Branson (BB Shooting) when it comes time to check prices and order. He treats us very well. <thumbsup>P.P.S. This is rifle-length on a .308 AR, but it gives you the idea, and an excellent pic of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted November 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 what about this one?http://dpmsinc.3dcartstores.com/308-Carbon-Fiber-Free-Float-Tube-Carbine_p_327.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Very lightweight, at 0.3 pounds (4.8 ounces). That would be the lightweight winner, for sure. Can't beat the price, either. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 I have to mention LOKI Weapon Systems. They make some dang nice stuff. Here is the LOKI carbon fiber free float tube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 NOW he comes out with the secrets... <laughs> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 I really like the texture of the APEX. I fondled the different carbon fiber FF's. I prefer the grip on the aluminum tubes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 I agree with you, and on a 4 oz difference, I'd go Apex over ligher-carbon. depends on Magwa at this point.I really want to figure out a 5.56 gun that I need or don't have, to use the Apex freefloat... <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted November 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 does the apex come in a carbine lenght? as i do not want to change gas tube lenghts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Not for the .308 ARs. Your gas system will be the same - carbine length. A midlength rail would extend a little further, and cover the gas block. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted November 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Ok i got it ... I like the looks of the apex... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted November 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Ok I would love to have a A2 type front sight gas block combo and the Apex carbine forarm with the cutout for the A2 sight so my next question is would the Jp A2 sight gas block combo work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 EDIT - Disregrd below comment - I thought you meant you HAD to use the A2...No, brother - don't need the A2 front sight at all. Swap your current railed gas block with a low profile gb, and install the Apex right over it. Something like this one from YHM: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 This JP A2, right here? It would work like a charm, and probably still be lighter than the gas block you currently have. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted November 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 Ok cool now i know i need to order 300.00 bucks in lawn mower parts... wink! wait xmas is coming ... LOL thanks 98Z5V and all you other brothers who have helped me on this prodject...and that sight gas block combo only weighs 3.4 oz i know the one on the gun must weigh over 10 oz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 Shoot! I can't wait to see how it turns out! I'm incredibly curious over the weights of the stock stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgecrusher Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 Not to piss on the parade, and I might have missed it, but the carbine cut out I saw was for the ar15. I'm at work and their website is lousy with my phone, you may want to double check Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted November 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 EdgeCrusher you are indeed correct and i am bummed that would be a perfect setup for my needs and i could have shaved a lb off the weight of the rifle.. ok back to the drawing board... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 No worries, Magwa, and easy fix here. Really easy. Run that YHM lo-pro gasblock I listed above, run the midlength Apex .308 freefloat, and mount a flip-up front sight on the end of the freefloat. Accomplishes the same thing, except for the look. Give you a longer sight radius, too. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted November 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 so a flip up mounted on the top of the rail will line up with a buis mounted on the rear of the upper receiver? well when looking at the application it looks like the for arm rail and upper rail line up so it should work... down side more parts so more weight now how about the jp A2 sight gas block and the mid length apex and cut out the fore arm my self to fit heck i could cot the length of the fore arm as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 so a flip up mounted on the top of the rail will line up with a buis mounted on the rear of the upper receiver? Yep! <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 looks like you'r on the road to a real sweet up brother. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted November 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Ok great news I wrote Apex and asked them if they could sell me a carbine length forarm with the cut out for a A2 sight for a DPMS lr 308 and they said they could so i wrote back just to double check will let you guys know when i hear back.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgecrusher Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Very cool, plus 1 to apex! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 and asked them if they could sell me a carbine length forarm with the cut out for a A2 sight for a DPMS lr 308 Well, brother, write back or call soon - you have a carbine length gas system. 1) A standard carbine freefloat system would go right out to the carbine-length gas port, and stop there. Room for an A2 front sight, with a carbine-length rail.2) You want to add the A2-type front sight.3) A carbine-length rail is going to go right out to that A2-type front sight, and stop before it hits it.4) You asked if they could put a cut-out in that. It's not going to touch it anyway, and a cut-out will leave a hole in the top rail of the freefloat.5) You'd probably need a MIDLENGTH freefloat, with a cut-out for an A2-type front sight, at the CARBINE GAS SYSTEM position. ^^^ That's what you need to ask them if they can do. Based on the flexibility they've already given, on an option that's not available on their website, I don't think it would be a problem.Gas systems and rails are not synonymous. For gas sytems, you can have pistol, carbine, midlength, and rifle (and "intermediate" and a few others, depending strictly on manufacturer of some "non-standard" gas systems.). Rails don't necessarily follow that. Think A2 front sight, like you are - If I have a carbine gas system, with an A2 front sight, and I put a carbine length rail or freefloat on it, then it's gonna be long enough to extend right up to the backside of that A2 front sight, but not touch it. I don't HAVE to run a carbine rail or freefloat, just because I have a carbine gas system. I can put a lo-pro gas block on that barrel, put on a carbine rail (gas block exposed), or use a midlength rail (gas block inside that rail), or longer rail (with gas block inside that longer rail, too.I'll get some pics up soon, and show you what I'm talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 12" Rail on rifle-gas system - doesn't cover lo-pro gas block, just right up to it:12" rail on carbine gas system, with 14.5" barrel - fully covers up the gas block, and the rail extends several inches beyound the gas block:13" rail, overlapping a mid-length gas system, on a 16" barrel:13.8" rail, coming right to the end of a lo-pro PRI gas block, on a rifle-length gas system:12.875" rail covering a mid'length gas system:Carbine gas system, with carbine rail, A2 FSP:Carbine gas system, 9.25" rail (covers gas block):Rifle-gas, Rifle handguards, A2 FSP:Mid-length gas, mid-length freefloat, A2 FSB - rail comes right to the edge of the FSB (front sight base):Tacti-Cat. He will whoop some ass on a moments notice, despite the "gentle nature" in the pic. Expolsive power in a small package. Dangerous... :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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