Toolndie7 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Okay, I know there is a slight difference between Armalite and dpms/ SASS gas tube lengths. I am in the process of pairing up a barrel length and ff handguard and would like to atleast partially cover the gas block, I'm set on a 13" Troy extreme battlerail and I plan on running a low profile adj gas block. Ive been homing in on a FA 16" ultra light barrel with a rifle length gas system. Now I understand that not every manufacturer is going to put their gas port in the "exact" same spot as everyone else but could you tell me the aprox location of the gas port in the rilfe, mid, carbine and pistol length system? Also where are they typically measured from the breech or receiver face? Been searching around and didnt find any good breakdowns. Maybe someone could post up a good lesson for us noo-b's and pin it like the buffer thread? Forgive me as I am at work with nothing better to do. <dontknow> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) SYSTEM Barrel length Port distance PISTOL > 10" 4 " Carbine 10 - 18 " 7 " MID > - 20 " 9" Rifle 16 > 12 " I would think the measurements would be from the chamber , but could be wrong & not all barrel & rifle manufacturers go by this , but most do. Your 13 " hand guard should cover the low profile gas block . I personally like them exposed for several reasons , one being able to service or replace the gas block, with out removing the hand guard. Edited January 8, 2014 by survivalshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 The Arms lite gas port is about 1/4" longer than the LR308 If you use an Armalite tube in a LR308, you could damage the gas key or gas tube. If you use a LR308 tube in an Armalite, you may have cycling issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolndie7 Posted January 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Thanks guys that helps alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) I had to edit the rifle length ,because I & others have 16" barrels with rifle length gas systems , I missed that change. Edited January 8, 2014 by survivalshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolndie7 Posted January 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 yeah I under stand the mix and match, but ports are in only so many locations relative to the breech and thats what I was looking for. thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 There are also carbine-length barrels running midlength gas systems. Primarily 5.56 stuff, 16" midlength barrels and 14.5" midlength barrels. The 14.5" midlength shoots very, very nice. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 There's even one company that makes a 12" mid length. They swear it's "the cats meow". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Ive got a few troy extreme battle rails.... yes they will cover a middy gas port no problemo the rail is 13" and some change.....my 2 mags is for middy gas tube lengths....in a rifle length,i think troy has a longer rail...I like my gas block covered :) Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
392heminut Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 I just put an AR-15 together with a 16" lightweight middy barrel. It shoots softer than my 16" with the midweight carbine barrel for sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 For sure! Pinky is a 16" midlength, and that thing might look funny, but it's one hell of a shooter. The other 16" midlength I have is a precision rig, the Spike's billet set with the Wilson/Nordic barrel. That thing is smoooooooooth. Carbine gas system was a direct development of rifle gas system on the A1/A2 with the 20" barrel. Dwell time - distance from the end of the barrel, back to the gas port location. The amount of time (or distance) that gas is entering the gas port, before the bullet leaves the barrel. It's almost identical on the 20" A1/A2 barrel (from end of barrel back to gas port location) as it is on the 14.5" barrel carbine. End of carbine barrel back to the gas port location, of the carbine gas system. Civilian-legal barrels must be a minimum length of 16", so carbine gas systems in a 16" barrel have longer dwell time. A 16" AR with carbine gas feels a little "more harsh" or has "more recoil" than the military 14.5" carbine - because of that extra 1.5" of barrel. More dwell time. Midlength gas systems started out as an alternative on a 16" civilian-legal barrel, to replicate that magic amount of dwell time of the A1/A2, and the military carbine with the 14.5" barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 98Z right on my brother! :) Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantshootafish Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 That is a great explanation. Thanks much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Glad it made a difference to people, and happy to provide it. I'll be here all night, just remember to tip your server... <lmao> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Good info brother Tom. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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