NFA Trust rule changes

[NTXshooter]

I had someone tell me today that the rules for NFA trusts are changing. That as of June 1, you will have to go to your local LEO and get the same signatures as a private transfer. Has anyone else heard this?

[gnatshooter]

This is what I found:

 

http://www.guntrustlawyer.net/proposed-atf-trust-regulation

 

and

 

http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAgendaViewRule?pubId=201310&RIN=1140-AA43

 

A discussion of the proposed rule can be found here:

 

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1523702_NFA_Trust_rule_change.html

[StainTrain]

Nope.  Nothing happening June 1.  Some changes are coming, but I don't think they have a hard and fast date. Keep buying.   >:D

Edited May 25, 2014 by StainTrain

[NTXshooter]

Thanks, I had not heard anything and I figured that would be big news.

[gnatshooter]

Nope.  Nothing happening June 1.  Some changes are coming, but I don't think they have a hard and fast date. Keep buying.   >:D

 

 

Thanks, I had not heard anything and I figured that would be big news.

 

Looks like NFA regs are set to come into effect "in June". Whatever those might be. There was a proposal by Obama-friendly bureaucrats, and a "public comment period" during which "Right-Wingers Who Clutch Guns And Bibles" can say Things That All Proper Gunless Progressives don't like. After that, there was an amount of time for the bureaucrats to 'show their dedication to democratic principles' by considering and rejecting comments by "Right-Wingers Who Clutch Guns And Bibles" and doing what Obama wants. And we're set to find out what Obama wants on NFA items "in June".

 

First approximation, it looks like some time next month you'll have to find someone in the local police bureaucracy to sign off on the notion that you and your NFA weapon won't be used for criminal activity. Come on, cops suspect everyone. You ain't getting any NFA items if you need a cop you never met before in your life to swear on the honor of his pension that you won't do something illegal with it. Like shooting squirrels for instance.

 

We won't know what the BATFE is gonna do with the NFA trust rules until they are actually published. At this point, everything will be too late. Likely not even the NRA could muster enough political clout to reverse the damage, though they might try.

 

So for now, everyone commenting on this piece of business is actually correct. And we may soon discover how bad the damage is. Maybe. Soon. Possibly, in June. And that rhymes.

[Rsquared]

From what I've heard. It's back to getting the fingerprint cards and form 4 put through your local CLEO. It's a pain in the ass for me here in Maryland. Because everything has to go through the ONE (main) state police barracks. That's a 45 minute drive (not counting traffic) one way. That was the main reason for forming the trust between my son and I. That and having the capability for either one of us to have possession of an NFA weapon (or device) that the trust owns.

 

Just more horse$hit from the current administration to slow us down. As if the BATFE wait of 6 to 12 months wasn't enough.

 

This $hit gives me an ice cream headache. Where's my beer?

[NTXshooter]

Sounds like I need to get off my a$$ and pull the trigger on a can and my sbr!

[survivalshop]

Sheriff here will not sign NFA transfers any more . Been that way for a couple of years now , wants them to all go to Trust .

Edited May 27, 2014 by survivalshop

[Microgunner]

Sherif here will not sign NFA transfers any more . Been that way for a couple of years now , wants them to all go to Trust .

That's true of all Florida sheriffs I believe.

[Magwa]

having to get fingerprints etc will effectivly distroy a trust and I will bitch and moan to stop that the reason for a trust is not to have some mythical loophole but to have a way that members of your family can use the NFA items without becoming a criminal.... ands to have a way to pass on your gun collections and NFA items ...

[Rsquared]

^^^^ Couldn't agree more.

[StainTrain]

What aggravates the hell out of me is having my ability to purchase a silencer rest in the hands of an individual who likely knows little to nothing about the NFA.

[survivalshop]

Paper pushers !  

 

having to get fingerprints etc will effectivly distroy a trust and I will bitch and moan to stop that the reason for a trust is not to have some mythical loophole but to have a way that members of your family can use the NFA items without becoming a criminal.... ands to have a way to pass on your gun collections and NFA items ...

 

In case of the NFA owners death , your NFA item(s) can be transferred to a immediate family member (s)  with out charge , just reapplication ( family member ) & finger prints for transfer.

Edited May 29, 2014 by survivalshop

[Rsquared]

Unless said weapons are banned from being transferred in your state. My state, for example, is about to ban the transfer of SBR's (yet another reason I gotta get the hell outta here). So if I clutched my chest and dropped the day after this went into effect, if it wasn't for my trust, where would they end up going? Straight to the crusher.

 

Stupid assed gun laws.

[survivalshop]

   Your SBR should be grandfathered in , its already in your name .Not sure how they set up your states laws , though .

  Could also go to immediate family member in a friendly state .

[Rsquared]

Oh. Not what I meant. I get to keep mine. Just can't transfer any more SBR's after 1 July (I think that's the date). Pretty much the same thing that the state did with AR-15's last year.

 

And I'm not a family type of guy. Don't like a lot of my family. So, they either go to my kids (Son is a trustee, daughter is the beneficiary to either one of us), or to all of you yahoo's around here. <lmao>

Edited May 29, 2014 by Rsquared

[98Z5V]

... or to all of you yahoo's around here. <lmao>

 

I'm pretty certain that I could assist you in bearing such a heavy burden...    <thumbsup>  <laughs>

[Rsquared]

Mighty nice of you brother. I knew that somebody would step up to the task. <laughs>

[gnatshooter]

Oh. Not what I meant. I get to keep mine. Just can't transfer any more SBR's after 1 July (I think that's the date). Pretty much the same thing that the state did with AR-15's last year.

 

And I'm not a family type of guy. Don't like a lot of my family. So, they either go to my kids (Son is a trustee, daughter is the beneficiary to either one of us), or to all of you yahoo's around here. <lmao>

 

Huh. And here, I was thinking that problems like this were solved by the firearm(s) becoming involved in a tragic boating incident which made it impossible to find them.

[unforgiven]

I'm the closest yahoo to ya brother.Just sayin. :yup:  Not that I would anything to happen to you. :ugone2far:

[Rsquared]

Don't worry my man.....you're definitely on the short list (from the short bus of course). You get to have the first argument with my son (he's 25 now)...........followed by Greg and Rob. Then Tom can storm in and try to intimidate him. BUT...........I leave one two syllable word for that.

 

OOH-RAH!!

Edited May 31, 2014 by Rsquared

[NTXshooter]

Hey, I've got room in my safe for anyone who wants to store something. Of course, I get to shoot anything in my safe.

Just got information yesterday, the date for BATFE to make a decision on trusts is now January 2015.

[NTXshooter]

We'll, I got the trust done and I pulled the trigger on a suppressor. Bought a YHM Phantom Titanium QD. Now I just have to wait for the ATF. It sucks that they took down the online applications.