there is jack shit around here for anything competition, i want to do three gun and can't even find that. so it will be for me, and i will eventually order right from jae, thanks for the insight. my build will probably start in the spring, after my back yard project. i think i'll try to order what i can when i can, but it might take all of 2012. i was thinking of maybe getting a super kriss but this thread has been "bothering" me, and i think i'd like to add a few more .308 rifles to my safe, maybe a sage ebr with an 18" barrel later on. now where's that powerball ticket?