Hell, I don't either - I was just asking a question, based on what you posted. No pissing match here, not in the least - just want to make sure the information is accurate. You stated is made no difference, so I want to know the config on it. With just the shell, and zero inserts, you'll never feel much of a difference. Steel insert, a little difference, tungsten insert, bigger difference. I only want to know the config of you Tubb CWS, since you felt no difference, with or without. No spitting match whatsoever, man...