Magwa Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) read these two links then lets discuss this topic, http://www.fpftraining.com/concealed...rror-part-one/http://www.fpftraining.com/concealed...rror-part-two/ Edited April 16, 2015 by Magwa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamO Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) Its a heluva scenario to imagine getting caught up in. You are likely going to be caught off guard any way you slice it. I have to remind myself all the time to remain situationally aware and I fail at that too often. I'd like to speak with all the bravado in the world like a host of other Internet Rambo's. The truth is, I'd be pissing myself in a no shiit terror attack and can't honestly answer how I would react. Obviously the situation would dictate and there are way to many varibles to even start to try and plan for. Even then, any plans are going straight out the window the minute the first shot is fired. Lots of good food for thought in that article though. Good read and thanks for sharing Edited April 17, 2015 by AdamO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
392heminut Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) Even with my LEO and practical shooting competition background those articles sure made me think! The author brought up some excellent points that I had never thought of. My take is that your brain is the most valuable asset if caught in a situation. Do a lot of 'what if' thinking beforehand and share that with your family members so if SHTF you're all on the same page. Edited April 17, 2015 by 392heminut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted April 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 I so agree with both of you , everyone has a plan till the first punch hits you square in the face! then is when your training will take over, I really had never given this senario much thought but those articles really make you think, we as citizens try and prepare for a mugger or thief or home invasion but this is a whole different side of bad, at my age I am going into ambush mode find the best hard cover I can and take my chances, I hope there are some young guns out there and I also hope American soil never has to deal with this... but the world is getting wierd.. for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelDeVille Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 It would really depend on who I am with at the time. If my family is out of harms way I may be more heroic. The problem with picking up an AK, and going Rambo is LE or other patriots mistaking YOU for a terrorist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmackc Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) I believe any of us would be better off carrying a concealed handgun we are comfortably familiar with it loaded, cocked and locked and aware of the happenings, than unarmed and unaware. Edited April 17, 2015 by mrmackc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 my first duty is to my family. that means keeping them safe, and also means keeping myself safe and able to support them. I actually run through these scenarios every time I have my kids at the mall, or park, or any public place. I always look for exits and cover. every time. I look around constantly. I make mental notes of the guys who look fit and groomed and could be military. I plan to stay as low key as possible until we get out. I'm not a sheepdog. I'm ok with that. if an obstacle gets between us and the door ill deal with it as best I can, regardless of what it it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 It would really depend on who I am with at the time. If my family is out of harms way I may be more heroic.The problem with picking up an AK, and going Rambo is LE or other patriots mistaking YOU for a terrorist. This is something you better think about if having to deal with any type of Terrorist attack .Its not only picking up a Terrorist type weapon , but just engaging or even having your firearm in your hand . LE with all the chaos could mistake you for on of " Them " . My first instinct is to evade & escape with my family , sounds selfish , but its my first concern , then with contact with LE , join the fight . You have to remember , unless you have a shitload of ammo with you , your carrie load is not going to be enough to sustain any kind of assault , even with LE . I think you can train & it most definitely helps , but when the SHTF , chaos will determine what you can & can't do . I said when the Sheet heads attacked in France , that if someone filming those Terrorists from the roof , if they only had a firearm & knew how to use it , it may have stopped the attack or changed or altered the outcome . Every situation is going to be different & as was said in the article , if all you have is the gun range to practice at , you ability to practice properly may be limited . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 The biggest issue is lack of training. A majority of law enforcement get annual recurrent training and qualification on sidearms, if that. Most are off duty or not included when major training drills happen. But it is training, no matter how little. The 99.99% of people owning firearms that don't have any training beyond learning how to hit a piece of paper on a range, these are going to be the true on-scene "first responders". At the Giffords shooting, the two people who admitted they were CCW chose not to engage due to the chaos...50 people running 120 different directions. The one almost engaged a person helping detain the shooter. "You must train every day!" Kim Jong Il Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Gabby is a good example. most people didn't even know what/who they were running from. just "away from the bangs" are you sure you can make that shot from distance with a rush of people around you bumping you? that whole incident happened fast. no time to combat roll into a good position. you hear shooting in a mall. you think TERRORIST!! you see a brown guy in a funny hat with a gun yelling at everyone an decide to save the day....and shoot some poor bastard trying to find his family. LEO have a pretty good chance of not getting in trouble for shooting the wrong folks. average Joe has no such protection, and will also be held up as an example of why citizens shouldn't be armed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wetncold Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Good food for thought. I live in a small town and have been here all my life, except while on active duty. Everone knows me and they know if I have my pants on, I am armed. I have a hide picked out. Others may know where it is, but nobody knows it is my primary retreat. At the first sign of trouble, that is where I will take my family. I will have 360 degree observation and there is a spring nearby. With the wild game in the area, food and water will not be a problem. When the poop blows over, we will go home. If it doesn't blow over, it will be assesed then. But I am not worried about foreign invaders. It's the current politicians that worry me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Training and having a plan is important but a situation like a terrest threat is more than most of us can deal with. Picking up a bad guys weapon may be a very bad idea because the LEO's will assume You would be the threat. If I would get stuck in a situation like that ,I sure would want an extra mag or two. Just to fight my way out. Events like this shouldn't happen until the next administration takes over and will happen in one of the "Sheepherder" cities, softer targets with less CCW presence. Terrorist plan ahead and want their event to be dramatic as possible. Televized sporting events, conventions, press conferences and other high profile events. Testing the leadership early into their term. That's something to think about !?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTXshooter Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Joe Citizen is not going to have the training to take on a group of terrorists. I know I don't. The weekly trip to the gun range does not provide the type of training required. The range I go to won't even allow you to double tap. A single armed citizen is probably going to have little effect on a group of trained, armed, motivated terrorists. My first impulse would be self preservation and the preservation of my family. l Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 Gabby is a good example. most people didn't even know what/who they were running from. just "away from the bangs" are you sure you can make that shot from distance with a rush of people around you bumping you? that whole incident happened fast. no time to combat roll into a good position. The Giffords shooting also highlights another change in society: a turn from facing an attacker to fleeing. Talking with investigators, reading witness reports, there were several people within arms reach of dipwad when he shot Giffords...not all that different from when Jack Ruby shot Oswald. One could say that there were cops surrounding Oswald and not Giffords, but I'd say cop training was nothing then like it is now. Yet those men jumped in and took control. Events like this shouldn't happen until the next administration takes over and will happen in one of the "Sheepherder" cities, softer targets with less CCW presence. Terrorist plan ahead and want their event to be dramatic as possible. Televized sporting events, conventions, press conferences and other high profile events. Testing the leadership early into their term. That's something to think about !?! Right now the big hope is to hit yet another military installation or prison, according to people being charged with training in Syria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 (edited) My first instinct is to evade & escape with my family , sounds selfish , but its my first concern , then with contact with LE , join the fight . You have to remember , unless you have a shitload of ammo with you , your carrie load is not going to be enough to sustain any kind of assault , even with LE . In an off-duty scenario, I believe this to be the right answer. Get out of the kill zone, protect your family, help those that can be helped and be a good witness for responders. I carry a real unmanly piece of police identification in the event I am in a situation like that an have to respond or link up with responders. Currently, I am groomed about as good as a hobo living in a cardboard box so I need all the credentials I can get to be legit. Edited April 18, 2015 by StainTrain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 Currently, I am groomed about as good as a hobo living in a cardboard box so I need all the credentials I can get to be legit. That's fucking awesome... <lmao> you look like a SOF guy in Afghani-land... <laughs> :hail: <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 I don't even want to comment into this thread, but I will say one small thing, with many words. Time is of the essence, positively identify the bad bastards, drop as many as you can, and raise your damn hands when LE arrives. You'll know when they're almost there, so get that schit unloaded and the round out of the chamber (locked back), and drop that thing on the floor when they come in. If you're in danger, act quickly. Be positive, but act quickly. You have the rest of your life to figure that out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 I don't even want to comment into this thread, but I will say one small thing, with many words. Time is of the essence, positively identify the bad bastards, drop as many as you can, and raise your damn hands when LE arrives. You'll know when they're almost there, so get that schit unloaded and the round out of the chamber (locked back), and drop that thing on the floor when they come in. If you're in danger, act quickly. Be positive, but act quickly. You have the rest of your life to figure that out... :909: not :hunter: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripledeuce Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 Leo training is something of a "thing" with me. Back in the 70's, a very good friend was the training officer for the California Highway patrol. He went from San Diego to the Oregon qualifing officers. There are always a few who cannot make the qualifing shoot, many reasons. from on vacation to court duty. It still dosen't change the fact that I traded m buddy for 10's of thousands of rounds of 38 +P+,and more thousands of rounds of 12)ga 00buck. LEO's qualifing? I look to the indivual officer, not the whole force. Respectfully Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripledeuce Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 I tried to edit my comment, but I guess I waited to long. It wasn't 10 of thousands or rounds, but it was at least 10,000 rounds. It was so many, that my wife and I used them for handgun metalic silloute for over a year, including practicing, without re-loading any 38's. Respectfully Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 That's fucking awesome... <lmao> you look like a SOF guy in Afghani-land... <laughs> :hail: <thumbsup> That's what I think I look like, my wife says I look like scruffy white trash. She has three more months of it. Which means one of us has to shave..... >:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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