beachmaster Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 Hey guys, as most everybody probably knows, I make slings! I haven't been around in awhile because I have been above my eyeballs doing all kinds of stuff, but now I am back in it! (for the time being) Anyways, I have seen a few people have issues with how I designed my sling to be worn. The slings are designed to be attached at the front and rear of the firearm, the buttstock and the front of the grip or rail, whichever you run. I have now had two accounts of difficulty using the sling where the person using the sling attached the sling at the front of the firearm, and to a one point sling point near the rear grip. This seemed crazy to me! Then I picked up a RECOIL magazine and saw that a lot of people were doing that... so maybe I am behind the power curve a bit! So, how do you attach your two point, and do you think that it would be a good idea to offer two different lengths of sling? I am wondering how I would advertise and specify the two different lengths. Any ideas would be appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 I've got two points of attachment on the rear ofmy rifles one where the buffer tube meets the lower ( I was running a magpul sling that converts to a single point sling) when I got your sling I attached to the qd hole in the stock because it's longer than the magpul sling. Even as a dual point sling I would attach the magpul to the buffer tube base, because it was to tight with my winter jacket on 2 layers and my fat torso. I'm sure you've seen the magpul slings but if you wanna take a look at one I can send you one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) I have 2pt slings on all my guns and run them all the same way. The rear attaches to either the top or the outside of the stock as far back as possible. I'm right handed, so my qd sockets are mounted on the right side of the stock and "cross over" the gun when it's slung. The guns with A2 rifle stocks use the Velcro sling mounts that hug the stock and attach on top. For the front, I try to put them at the end of the rail on the inside (left) but they still work fine closer to the receiver. Edited August 12, 2015 by blue109 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted August 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 Blue, I designed my slings to work in exactly the manner that you described. Shepp, do you see a benefit to running from the front to the one point position as apposed to the buttstock? I think some in depth testing is going to be called for on my part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) I too connect all mine except my hunting LR308 the same way just behind the pistol grip i do this so that I have more manuvrability with the butt stock when the sling is attached to the end of the butt stock the whole gun has to be brought to the shoulder in a different way than with the pistol grip attachment....and when hanging a weapon in front of you the pistol grip meathod seems easier to manipulate for me... Edited August 12, 2015 by Magwa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 QD swivels near the front and on the buttstock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 Shepp, do you see a benefit to running from the front to the one point position as apposed to the buttstock? Feels mor comfortable to me, tighter fit maybe? Wit it attached to the end of the fore grip and base of the buffer tube the top comes right across the shoulder and then tucks across my ribs to the buffer point. Instead of it being hung out to the stock seems like it's one less thing for twigs and branches to get hung up on and it feels less like a 2x6 strapped to my back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 I find myself gravitating to a QD on the buffer tube behind the receiver or in the case of my Sigs on the lower rear portion of the receiver for the rear attachment point. I find it easier to maneuver things with cold weather gear on that way as well as moving the rifle to my weak side easier. So far the downside for me has been not being able to wrap the sling on my arm as easy as I could if it was on the back of the buttstock, could just be a muscle memory issue on my part though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) I find myself gravitating to a QD on the buffer tube behind the receiver or in the case of my Sigs on the lower rear portion of the receiver for the rear attachment point. I find it easier to maneuver things with cold weather gear on that way as well as moving the rifle to my weak side easier. So far the downside for me has been not being able to wrap the sling on my arm as easy as I could if it was on the back of the buttstock, could just be a muscle memory issue on my part though. I would agree with that I'm mostly running a sling deer hunting which usually includes heavy coat, bibs base layer tshirt and if colder than whale snot a sweat shirt Edited August 12, 2015 by shepp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 I can see grip mount working better with the gun on your back. I tend to snug mine up front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 Jacob. You and I talked about this a bit in the past. As a LE Tactical Rifle instructor, I have very specific reasons for why I use certain techniques. As a lifelong hunter, I have adapted my LE technique to take advantage of everything my dad taught me growing up. The forward attached sling position allows me to wrap my arm and cinch the sling to make a more stable firing platform. When I stowe the rifle, after a transition, the forward mount turns into a high point behind my shoulder. While muzzle up isn't ideal, the weight distribution makes a secure seat on my back. I can stowe and redeploy my rifle without having to remove the sling from its cross-body position. You simply rotated the rifle in the direction of the sling. This was taken directly from hunting. The rear attachment is for faster tactical engagements in a CQB environment. While my old hunting rifles were mounted at the toe of the stock, I was never worried about clearing a building or pieing a doorway while stalking bambi. On my tactical rifles I choose a sling point as close to the rear of the receiver as possible. I have used Troy adapters that attach around the castle nut, QD receiver plates, KAC stock extenders and lower receivers with integrated rear QD points. The purpose for the rear attachment at the end of the receiver is to shoulder transition without removing the sling. If I button hook a doorway, I can transition shooting sides faster. In competition, it is found that you can switch shoulders without switching hands, thus shaving precious seconds from ones score. While this crossover style isn't the most accurate, it's damn fast, and with a little practice, it's accurate enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted August 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 Rob I hope you didn't take this post as me trying to know you, or as offensive. I guess I missed that part of the feedback. For some reason I didn't remember getting a reply as to why you did it. Surely that was my fault. With that being said, is the general consensus that I should offer two different lengths of sling, one for each rear attachment point style? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 How much shorter does it need to be? Major redo or just an adjustment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 No offense brother. I got nothing but love for you bro. You couldn't even offend me if you pointed and laughed while I offered a pants down hug. I was just trying to give an in depth reason for why "I" used the attachment points I chose. Like I suggested, make the rear section 6"-9" longer and the front section 6" shorter, and I'd be PERFECT. Not going to lie.... I'm spoiled by this adjustable buckle. I know you used to use them. I actually ordered a couple for the slings I already have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 +1 on the adjustable buckle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted August 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 I still have those adjustable buckles. Quite a few of them actually. Maybe a new sling model is in order... Hhmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 Mine are on back order. I'll cancel and order from you if I can? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted August 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 Sure, how many do you need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted August 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 I only have black though, I don't have any od green ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 +1 on the adjustable buckle! +2 that's what I like about those magpul ms3 slings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 +1 on the adjustable buckle! +2 that's what I like about those magpul ms3 slings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 That adjustable buckle is the old rucksack shoulder strap adjusting buckles. Those things rock. They are the very reason I have so damn many VTAC slings. I've never thought about trying to find them individually, but if you've got 'em Jacob, I'll take some. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 Vtac slings rock I have like 3 or 4 vickers and I have to admit they are well built but the function is what is so nice I need to get on the beachin wagon and get me one.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted August 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 Yeah I have em, and I can use them on my sling design also. I just prefer the buckles because quick release is an option. I have a bunch of made is USA h&k style clips as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmackc Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) I followed the directions on Beaches sling front detachable swivel and rear swivel on the collapsable stock on the DPMS LR308. I have always used two point slings both issue web and 1907 leather on M1 and M1A and Mini 14s I use a Latigo on my Remington mod 700 243 And my built 3006 O3A3 I use a Freeland cuff sling on my Winchester 52 and Ansultz 64.22LR target rifles. I reckon you could say I am a radicalized 2 point sling old fart. I used a piece of cotton rope tied around the barrel and the small of the stock on my old Ithaca model 37 duck hunting on open water, does that count? Edited August 14, 2015 by mrmackc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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