GreyGoose Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 I just googled it and this about sums it up;Aside from his million dollar donation to the NRA Museum, William B. Ruger, Senior, should be remembered as the man who embraced the investment casting process very early on, and whose Pine Tree is one of the most respected investment casting enterprises in the world, the man who gave us the Mini-14, the 10/22 and the first American-made production firearm chambered in 7.62 X 39mm… and the man who told NBC News' Tom Brokaw that:"No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun.""I never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 or 30 round magazines or my folding stock.""I see nothing wrong with waiting periods."And, sadly, that too must be part of the Ruger legacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) His initial recommendation was 15 round magazines. He later modified that to 10, then down to 5, stating "There is no reason any civilian needs more than 5 rounds in a semi-automatic firearm." Civilians need to have the right that every military member has, and every law enforcement member has. It's that simple. I'm not talking about the M72A2 LAW and M18A1 Claymore mine and shiit like that - I'm talking about standard, current firearms. If Military or LEO is allowed to have it, then it shouldn't be prohibited to civilians.I'm also talking about law-abiding citizens that can pass a NICS check, too. Fuk criminals. Anytime someone starts talking about "Civilians don't need...," then they're not in line with what the 2A is really about, why it was written, and what the thoughts of the drafters were thinking. The drafters of that were definitely talking about tyrannical government, because they were fighting against a tyrannical government at the time, and didn't want that to ever happen to the citizens again... Edited September 27, 2015 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 I disagree, Madison would want citizens to have Claymore's and LAW's. When I read the federalist papers it became clear to me the idea was for citizens to have military grade weapons the equivalent of the government. Even as late as the Civil War independant citizens formed their own units and supplied them with privately bought weapons and artillery. The ability to do this is critical in preventing a tyrannical government from forcing themselves on the people. I agree that today's society is full of people that I would not want to have heavy weapons, that just means a good house cleaning is way past due. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 I agree with JT, that was the interpretation I had also. Civilians are far behind the curve now. With what has been brought to light, that which we know they are working to develop, the real stuff is far beyond that. And we know they are working with sonic and phased sonic weapons, focused electro-magnetic energy weapons, awesome particle energy lasers, and much more.Militia and armed citizenry have been demonized for so long, we will never catch up. The "death by a thousand cuts" has already been performed. Just waiting on the body to realize there is no blood left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted October 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) Well , I believe what ever the Armed forces have is ours any way , so all we have to do is take what ever we want , if we need it . We paid for it , not the Government ! I alway hear the LE guys say , good luck with having a fight with LE & I can say I don't want one , but they are used to over whelming adversaries , always a PD & their special ops force against one or two individuals , Ya they will win every time ,what do you think the out come would be with a thousand or ten thousand , Armed American Citizens & don't think for a minute it can't happen . How would a military base handle that situation ? Just my two . Buy the way , I asked my local, fun shop owner , who has some very good connections , about a price & availability of one of the Rugers , haven't heard from him yet , but I left the message for him Monday ( he was out of town ), so I should hear by the end of the week . Edited October 7, 2015 by survivalshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyGoose Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Buy the way , I asked my local, fun shop owner , who has some very good connections , about a price & availability of one of the Rugers , haven't heard from him yet , but I left the message for him Monday ( he was out of town ), so I should hear by the end of the week .There is a guy here in Idaho who has a one NIB for sale, its chambered in 6.5 CM for $1350 if you're interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 /\/\/\/\ That certainly is less than they are on GB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted October 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 There is a guy here in Idaho who has a one NIB for sale, its chambered in 6.5 CM for $1350 if you're interested. Interested in 308 only .? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy1600 Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Still nothing for us pee-ons! waiting.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imschur Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Cabelas here had them when I was there two weeks ago http://bit.ly/1PbgPDk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted October 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) I still haven't heard anything . He may be waiting for me to show up at his Business , but every time I go there ,he's not there . I think they made a first production run to see how well they would be accepted . Not many out there , none around here , we have no Cabelas . I'm losing interest in one , after all its just a Bolt Gun .? Edited October 13, 2015 by survivalshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imschur Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 While I was at Cabelas there were three of us looking at the rifle. I think they hit a sweet spot for something cool and that shoots well. I think we will see more of these types of rifles. They are very appealing to folks behind enemy lines or just looking for something different. Long ago I had a discussion with Armalite that if they made the AR-30 a little sexier it might gain more interest from passersby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 What could be sexier than an ArmaLite ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imschur Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 What could be sexier than an ArmaLite ?Im with you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 That's probably why they came up with the AR-31 that accepts the 20 round B series mags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 That's probably why they came up with the AR-31 that accepts the 20 round B series mags.If I could get one of those for half the retail price I'd jump on it....but when I can get a 10T for less money I can't bring myself to buy the bolt gun. If you ever see them going on clearence let me know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Most definitely. We'd both be in line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crankbait Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) I would personally stay away from the .243 - that's a lot of high velocity gas and powder being pushed down a little hole - barrel erosion and longevity is a known issue for the .243. Some guy over on the 6BR forum stated that he gets around 1500 rounds out of a .243 barrel. Personally, I'd be all over the 6.5 Creedmore if I were to buy a RPR. Edited October 18, 2015 by Crankbait addition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 No more gas than any of the other 6mm cartridges pushing bullets and powder down a little hole.For longevity on barrels I'd be more inclined to listen to someone collecting 4 MOA battle rifles, than someone using a 20lb rifle to shoot 1-hole five shot groups that are 0.015" larger than the bullet diameter.But that is probably just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crankbait Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 No more gas than any of the other 6mm cartridges pushing bullets and powder down a little hole.For longevity on barrels I'd be more inclined to listen to someone collecting 4 MOA battle rifles, than someone using a 20lb rifle to shoot 1-hole five shot groups that are 0.015" larger than the bullet diameter.But that is probably just me.I'm just not going to go down that whole bolt gun bench rest F class rabbit hole. I just can't see myself all obsessed about case neck concentricity, runout, and tension. Weighing then segregating each case and bullet and getting all spun up about 1/4 grain of powder. In my mind, that takes all the fun out of it - I'd rather just shoot. At my gun club, they're like divas the way they sashay around. Having said that, I do plan on qualifying on the 600 yard line at my club with my .308 AR just to annoy the poop out of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Crank you got 5k rounds down the pipe and you havnt qualified at 600 yards...what bout 200yds? What in the heck are you waiting for? Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niles Coyote Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Someone say Ruger Precision Rifle here?I picked up a 243 back in September...Called Josh up at Patriot Valley Arms and now it wears a 26" 6.5x47 Lapua barrel and shoots crazy good when I can...140 berger hybrid at 700y, 4 went into 1 3/4"Fifth shot opened up my vertical a bit. 20 rounds of berger 140 hybrid love ready for action Loaded up some 139L with 40.5 grains of H4350 and seated 3.200 on my gauge. This should put me about .025 off the lands, IIRC. Fist shots confirmed zero then ran 5 over the magnetospeedSo the load has sped up nicely. 2825 SD/4 ES/10 for five.That done I settled down and shot a 5 shot group at 1000... need to work on my wind game...Banged some steel from kneeling at 600 then decided to attempt to go for 1000 from kneeling while slung up... need to do this a bit more.3 out of 5 on a 36" plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 I was going to give you crap for raising a dead thread but NICE SHOOTING!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niles Coyote Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Thanks, its a fun gun. The factory 243 barrel that came with it was okay, but on the slow side for a 243 chamber. Accuracy was running right around MOA, sometimes a touch less and other times a little more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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