huntxtrm Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Hello,First all I am new here, and new to AR10's. I have owned Ar15's in the past, but never an AR10. I just acquired an older model AR10 Armalite. When, breaking it down, to check it out. Prior to shooting it of course. (Still have not shot it). I found a part, that I have never encountered in one of my AR15's? Its not on the parts breakdown from Armalite, either? Can anyone tell me what it is? And it's significance? Attached are some pics. it is some kind of plunger, that is machine fit into the back of the bolt carrier? It looks like it rides against the recoil buffer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kazuaki Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Could it be one of these?http://www.davidtubb.com/ar15-tubb-parts/carrierweight-ar15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Diss Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Looks like a David Tubb carrier weight.http://www.davidtubb.com/tubb-competition-shooting-accessories/carrierweight-ar15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Yep it is ....that means your rifle is on its last leg and not good for more than another 200 rounds....ill give you 500 for it ...you pay shipping Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNP Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Nice try. Don't let him screw you. I'll give you 500 and pick up the shipping! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) That's a copy of a Tubb CWS, but not a genuine one. The Tubb CWS tapers at the back, and doesn't have squared-off edges. Performs the same function, though, that piece you have.Weigh it, and see what it comes up at. Get a shot of the back of it, too. The real part adds 0.080" length to the overall of the BCG, so measure that back lip on the thing, and see how much it's adding...The CWS has three different weights that you can set it up as - just the body, body with steel insert, body with tungsten insert. Edited October 1, 2015 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntxtrm Posted October 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Yep it is ....that means your rifle is on its last leg and not good for more than another 200 rounds....ill give you 500 for it ...you pay shipping WashHA! I don't recon! LOL I think i'll giver her a go.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Do us all a favor and fire it with the carrier weight a bit and then take it out and shoot it and let us know of any differences in recoil or accuracy !!!It would be nice to get a little first hand info on the item if you don't mind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntxtrm Posted October 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 I am taking it to the range tomorrow. With some factory ammo. I will report what I find out. It will be interesting for me as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Do us all a favor and fire it with the carrier weight a bit and then take it out and shoot it and let us know of any differences in recoil or accuracy !!!It would be nice to get a little first hand info on the item if you don't mind...The Tubb CWS makes a difference - I've posted an entire thread on it before, both .308 and 5.56. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Diss Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 My first .458 SOCOM was a Rock River that a guy bought for his wife to hunt with. Turned out it kicked too much for her so he sold it. I found one of these in it. The real problem with that rifle is the A2 buttstock has sharp edges on the back that dig into your shoulder. I shot the rifle with and without it and it did nothing at all for recoil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 I think the CWS is meant to delay the bolt unlocking (lock time) more than tame recoil. By delaying it increases accuracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntxtrm Posted October 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 I got bigger troubles now. My buddy, who knows a little about these, showed me where someone has monkey'd with the trigger group. I am guessing the original builder. It fires, when you pull the trigger, and the bolt comes back, if you are still holding the trigger, the bolt seats again, you release the trigger, it fires again! He said somebody, was trying to do a trigger job, but went a little too far. So, I am going to have to buy some trigger parts before I shoot it. Better safe than sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 I got bigger troubles now. My buddy, who knows a little about these, showed me where someone has monkey'd with the trigger group. I am guessing the original builder. It fires, when you pull the trigger, and the bolt comes back, if you are still holding the trigger, the bolt seats again, you release the trigger, it fires again! He said somebody, was trying to do a trigger job, but went a little too far. So, I am going to have to buy some trigger parts before I shoot it. Better safe than sorry. a lot of guys on here really like Mech Armor Defense Systems drop in trigger. Great company with great products Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 a lot of guys on here really like Mech Armor Defense Systems drop in trigger. Great company with great products AWESOME trigger group....Van is the best! Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EngrBob Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 a lot of guys on here really like Mech Armor Defense Systems drop in trigger. Great company with great products I have it, fantastic trigger and THE BEST customer service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) My first .458 SOCOM was a Rock River that a guy bought for his wife to hunt with. Turned out it kicked too much for her so he sold it. I found one of these in it. The real problem with that rifle is the A2 buttstock has sharp edges on the back that dig into your shoulder. I shot the rifle with and without it and it did nothing at all for recoil.The Tubb CWS does change the recoil impulse - you need to look at it again, because if you didn't notice it, there's something going on.What was the configuration? Body only, steel insert, tungsten insert, you didn't check or didn't know?... It makes a difference in the recoil impulse... Edited October 4, 2015 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmackc Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 AWESOME trigger group....Van is the best! WashWash is this the Rough-Justice 3/0 trigger group? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Wash is this the Rough-Justice 3/0 trigger group?Yeppers MRM it is Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmackc Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Thanks, good looking module, decent price too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntxtrm Posted October 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 I'm leaning toward one myself. I like the fact its single stage. Heckuva lead time on them though! They must be popular! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntxtrm Posted October 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Ok, for those of you that want to know. You could tell a difference in recoil, with out it, it did kick just a bit more. But with my loads of 43gn of 4064, behind a 150gn hornady interlock sp. It just didn't quite have enough bang to make it cycle consistently with the weight. I remove the weight, grouping improved to sub moa. Gonna have to do some more trigger work on it. Somebody, before me, took a little too much of the sear. It shoots on the trigger pull stroke, and trigger release stroke. Sometimes.. Because the disconnector, disconnects, before the sear has control of the hammer. I am most likely going to get a match trigger anyway. If it shoots this good, like it is. I think its worth moving forward with. Recon? I'm thinking match trigger.. Get rid of the flash hider, install a brake. Then move on with developing a load for it. What do you guys think? Is this a good order to go in, on one of these AR's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 I would scrap that Trigger first ( and I mean in the trash ), you have no idea what someone messed with . If your at a range & the rifle goes full auto & if someone is there, that is not understanding to your situation , you could have legal problems . Plenty of good trigger systems ( FCG ) out there , the MechArmor is a very good single stage trigger & then there is Geissele , just about any kind or configuration with them , just on the higher end , price wise . I have both & like both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Diss Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 The Tubb CWS does change the recoil impulse - you need to look at it again, because if you didn't notice it, there's something going on.What was the configuration? Body only, steel insert, tungsten insert, you didn't check or didn't know?... It makes a difference in the recoil impulse...Sure, I understand the physics. It adds mass to the bolt. Combined with proper gas and a proper spring it slows down the bolt. I get it. That changes the recoil impulse and the felt recoil, but it does nothing for your shoulder when the buttstock has sharp notches digging into your shoulder. Also consider this was a hot .458 SOCOM round. It's a thumper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 That still didn't answer my question, Ben... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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