MOSSYXD Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) this what i have on this rifle, JD Machine upper/ lower, Criterion 18.5" match barrel, Elftmann single stage ( set at 4.5 lbs), DPMS bcg and a Millet TRS-1. From this pix you can see Ive used different kinds of ammo, Lake City , GFL, FC and SSA. Is this the best i can expect from this rifle? Note this was shot at 100yds on sand bag rest. Another thing to note is my point of aim was on the "x" center of diamonds. Edited November 15, 2015 by MOSSYXD Edit duh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Mossy dont see the target pic.....and dont see the grains or type ammo? at 100 yds it should be sub moa though ...how many rounds down the pipe? Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSSYXD Posted November 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 all are 150 gr bullets, except the lake city 149 grthis what i have on this rifle, JD Machine upper/ lower, Criterion 18.5" match barrel, Elftmann single stage ( set at 4.5 lbs), DPMS bcg and a Millet TRS-1. From this pix you can see Ive used different kinds of ammo, Lake City , GFL, FC and SSA. Is this the best i can expect from this rifle? Note this was shot at 100yds on sand bag rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSSYXD Posted November 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Can you see the target pix now?Mossy dont see the target pic.....and dont see the grains or type ammo? at 100 yds it should be sub moa though ...how many rounds down the pipe? Washsorry I'm not use to this forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSSYXD Posted November 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Approximately 100 rds down the pipe Fulton Armory says there barrels are ready to shoot w/o any break in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Get a wider variety of ammo, bullet weights, and shoot the poop out of it. Even when the manufacturer says no break in needed I do some frequent cleaning for the first 100 rounds but that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Some of these guns are picky about ammo weight. Light ones might suck, but then you move up to 168 or 175 and it tightens right up.Also had a guy in here with a very high end build who was disappointed with his groups. It was his first 308ar and after a few range sessions he became more comfortable with the gun and realized he was the problem, not the rifle. Keep banging. try different ammo. You will find the sweet spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wetncold Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 The AR platform is capable of exceptional accuracy if tuned right. But then again most rifles are. Some shoot better with pressure on the barrel while most I have worked on shoot best free floated. The best way to achieve accuracy is ammo. That's why I handload for accuracy and not ballistic performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Approximately 100 rds down the pipe Fulton Armory says there barrels are ready to shoot w/o any break in.Mossy clean that barrel real good..... yes I see the targets now...and yes your groups suk....get you some privi match otm 168 gr...it shoots bout like federal gold medal match 168 or heck get you some gold medal match 168 and even some 175's....then on the other side of the scale....dont laff get you some federal 150 grain power shok soft point......try those ....at 100 you should be tight....you install your optics? and how? could be you not doing your partmy buddy had a Rainier barrel that we both shot and couldnt get it to group...he sent it back...put the new one on and it grouped great....so it was the barrelWash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt.Cross Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 I have the same barrel, it dislikes anything lighter than 165gr projectiles. Buy FGMM in either the 168 or 175 grain weight, if that doesn't perform right you may need to focus on fundamentals. Welcome to the forums BTW, glad to have you here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSSYXD Posted November 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Some of these guns are picky about ammo weight. Light ones might suck, but then you move up to 168 or 175 and it tightens right up.Also had a guy in here with a very high end build who was disappointed with his groups. It was his first 308ar and after a few range sessions he became more comfortable with the gun and realized he was the problem, not the rifle. Keep banging. try different ammo. You will find the sweet spotwell this was this was a high end bulid for me (from my wallet anyways). Maybe time to get a lead sled, you my be right, I could see the cross hairs move with every heart beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSSYXD Posted November 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 I have the same barrel, it dislikes anything lighter than 165gr projectiles. Buy FGMM in either the 168 or 175 grain weight, if that doesn't perform right you may need to focus on fundamentals. Welcome to the forums BTW, glad to have you here.I had to wait almost eight months before i got this barrel, thanks for the info I'll try heavier loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSSYXD Posted November 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Mossy clean that barrel real good..... yes I see the targets now...and yes your groups suk....get you some privi match otm 168 gr...it shoots bout like federal gold medal match 168 or heck get you some gold medal match 168 and even some 175's....then on the other side of the scale....dont laff get you some federal 150 grain power shok soft point......try those ....at 100 you should be tight....you install your optics? and how? could be you not doing your partmy buddy had a Rainier barrel that we both shot and couldnt get it to group...he sent it back...put the new one on and it grouped great....so it was the barrelWashok I'll try some heavier loads, as for the optics well I used a bubble level the best I could. lets hope its not the barrel I waited eight months for this sucker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSSYXD Posted November 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 The AR platform is capable of exceptional accuracy if tuned right. But then again most rifles are. Some shoot better with pressure on the barrel while most I have worked on shoot best free floated. The best way to achieve accuracy is ammo. That's why I handload for accuracy and not ballistic performance.thanks for the info, I only reload 45 acp and 357 mag. I would have to reeducate for high end rifle loads. So are your handloads specific for your rifle only? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNP Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 That barrel is going to be just fine...and if for any reason it's not, the Criterion guys are top notch and I'm sure they will take good care of you. Shake out all other options first, because IMO the barrel is probably your least likely spot for your current accuracy issue. As mentioned, be sure the optics are mounted solid. Shoot some heavier bullets. Be sure the barrel but is torqued within specs. Let someone you think is a better shooter than you test it out when you've been through the basic checks...not the answer anyone wants to get, but sometimes we gotta check ourselves too. Might just take a little sweet talking to get her warmed up to you. Welcome aboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 That barrel is going to be just fine...and if for any reason it's not, the Criterion guys are top notch and I'm sure they will take good care of you. Shake out all other options first, because IMO the barrel is probably your least likely spot for your current accuracy issue. As mentioned, be sure the optics are mounted solid. Shoot some heavier bullets. Be sure the barrel but is torqued within specs. Let someone you think is a better shooter than you test it out when you've been through the basic checks...not the answer anyone wants to get, but sometimes we gotta check ourselves too. Might just take a little sweet talking to get her warmed up to you. Welcome aboard. DNP right on brother...well said Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wetncold Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 thanks for the info, I only reload 45 acp and 357 mag. I would have to reeducate for high end rifle loads. So are your handloads specific for your rifle only?Yes. Each individual rifle. Takes time, but as anal as I am about accuracy it's worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malig8r Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Welcome to the forum from Washington. I don't have much to add since the gentlemen above have already covered the most effective courses of action to get those groups tightened up. Glad to have you here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Welcome from AZ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 I don't have much to add since the gentlemen above have already covered the most effective courses of action to get those groups tightened up.Pretty much the same here. Welcome aboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSSYXD Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 thanks all for the warm welcome!Welcome from AZ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSSYXD Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Welcome from AZ!Yes. Each individual rifle. Takes time, but as anal as I am about accuracy it's worth it.Hey Wet, do you mind if you share your reload reload recipe for your AR. I've some Nosler 168 gr custom competiion bullets to start. Powder? OAL? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSSYXD Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Welcome from AZ!So what do you know about the the SlowV-10 Bronco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 So what do you know about the the SlowV-10 Bronco.Great platform, hated by the chairforce.As is any aircraft that truly provides CAS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSSYXD Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Great platform, hated by the chairforce.As is any aircraft that truly provides CAS.well we here at Cal Fire are still using them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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