98Z5V Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, shepp said: i could be miss remember tho, about what shells anyways Eh, maybe, but problably not - you're on it with the ammo... You gotta be right with that, and... with... ...the limp-wristing that was going on... "Damn this is having malfunctions, and won't shoot!..." "Yeah? Lemme see it. ***Load it up with five in the tube and one in the chamber*** BLAM!BLAM!BLAM!BLAM!BLAM!BLAM!... "I don't see any issues here..." Edited June 4, 2018 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 Here's the loadout: Slug Slug Buck Buck Buck Buck Buck Buck Buck... Mossberg Nightstick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 I see one of these in my near future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenworks Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 Sucks that's it's illegal in Ohio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 11 hours ago, Ravenworks said: Sucks that's it's illegal in Ohio Why’s that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenworks Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, shepp said: Why’s that? Because of Ohio law, 2923.11(F) of the Ohio Revised Code provides: "(F) Sawed-off firearm means a shotgun with a barrel less than eighteen inches long, or a rifle with a barrel less than sixteen inches long, or a shotgun or rifle less than twenty-six inches long overall." Emphasis added. The Mossberg Shockwave has a barrel length of 14". Accordingly, with a barrel of less than 16" long, it is considered a "Sawed-off firearm" under Ohio Law. In Ohio, there is no barrel length exception, even with an overall length of 26” or greater. So how is it legal in some states? https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/mossberg-590-shockwave-legal-ohio We had a few people selling them on armslist, that got shut down real quick. Edited December 30, 2018 by Ravenworks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 It’s legal because it is NOT shotgun or a rifle, it is just a “firearm”.... per the federal BATFE definition By definition, to be a shotgun or a rifle, it must be originally designed with a stock, a specific length barrel (smooth or rifled, depending on type). To be a pistol it must have an overall length of less than 26”. If it never had a “stock” or an appropriate length barrel, then it can’t be a shotgun or a rifle. If it’s too large (over 26”) to be concealed then it’s not a pistol. That makes it just a “firearm”. Some states have more specific definitions of what makes a rifle, shotgun or pistol... California says a shotgun is any firearm chambered to shoot a shotgun shell. That’s above and beyond the federal BATFE definition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Ravenworks said: Because of Ohio law, 2923.11(F) of the Ohio Revised Code provides: "(F) Sawed-off firearm means a shotgun with a barrel less than eighteen inches long, or a rifle with a barrel less than sixteen inches long, or a shotgun or rifle less than twenty-six inches long overall." Emphasis added. It was never a "shotgun" to begin with, and the barrel has never been altered - therefore, it can't possibly be a "sawed-off shotgun" - it's neither of those things. What you linked was an opinion of an attorney that was working for a message board... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, 98Z5V said: It was never a "shotgun" to begin with, and the barrel has never been altered - therefore, it can't possibly be a "sawed-off shotgun" - it's neither of those things. What you linked was an opinion of an attorney that was working for a message board... I found several sources stating that it’s a NO GO in Ohio. Without diving further into it, I’m assuming they have a more detailed definition of a “shotgun” than the Feds... similar to my own PRK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 I'm digging around inside this pdf document here - there's already a bill to change that: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:C1sFaG_C82YJ:search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/cm_pub_api/api/unwrap/chamber/132nd_ga/ready_for_publication/committee_docs/cmte_h_federalism_1/testimony/cmte_h_federalism_1_2018-04-17-0300_1339/ronald_lemieux_testimony.pdf+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-b-1-ab IV. Definition of a “Sawed-off Firearm,” R.C. 2923.11 (Lines 701-10) R.C. 2923.11(F) provides that a “Sawed-off firearm means a shotgun with a barrel less than eighteen inches long, or a rifle with a barrel less than sixteen inches long, or a shotgun or rifle less than twenty-six inches long overall." The Mossberg Shockwave has a barrel length of 14". Accordingly, with a barrel of less than 16" long, it is considered a "Sawed-off firearm" under Ohio Law. In Ohio, there is no barrel length exception, even with an overall length of 26” or greater, as Ohio does not recognize the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosive’s (“BATFE”) definition of a "Non-Regulated Shotgun" related to the manufacture and sale of Pistol Grip Only (“PGO”) shotguns. Following BATFE regulations, if, at the factory during the manufacturing process, a brand-new receiver is fitted with a pistol grip first instead of a shoulder stock, it's considered a PGO shotgun. Due to the manufacturing process used to build the gun, it doesn't fall under the purview of NFA regulations. Instead, the definitions that apply are found in the Gun Control Act of 1968 (“GCA”). Under these regulations, the Shockwave is legally considered a “firearm,” not a sawed-off-firearm. According to the GCA, if the overall length of that firearm, with the pistol grip and barrel installed, is greater than 26", then the barrel can legally be shorter than 18". In the case of the 14" barrel Mossberg 590 Shockwave, the Raptor bird's head grip gives the gun an overall length of 26.32". That makes it a firearm. Although the BATFE recognizes it as a "legal" shotgun, under the Ohio Revised Code, it does not meet the requirements. This Bill provides language that mirrors federal law and provides a more uniform and useful definition of a “sawed-off firearm,” while at the same time not circumventing the actual intent of the law itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgecrusher Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 It’s illegal in MA too. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenworks Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 Well I'm here to tell you that Governor Kasich said there is no way in hell that he'll ever allow them to be legal. You can't buy one in Ohio from an FFL period. Buckeye Firearms is fighting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenworks Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, 98Z5V said: It was never a "shotgun" to begin with, and the barrel has never been altered - therefore, it can't possibly be a "sawed-off shotgun" - it's neither of those things. What you linked was an opinion of an attorney that was working for a message board... Sorry bro,it's not an opinion,you cannot own one in Ohio. He thumbed his nose at everything that is comming across his desk before he leaves office. The guy is a dick and can't be trusted. The first thing he did when he got elected was try to bust the teachers unions, he almost got lynched. Read up on his history,he's a royal GOOF. Edited December 30, 2018 by Ravenworks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ravenworks said: Sorry bro,it's not an opinion,you cannot own one in Ohio. It certainly is an opinion - BAFTE states what it definitely is. It's classified as a "firearm" and not a shotgun. That's clear cut. Ohio has an "opinion" on it - and that's what it getting you. It's entirely an "opinion" from a state that refuses to accept it's BATFE classification. It is completely true, that it was never a "shotgun" in the first place, because the definition of "shotgun" included a buttstock - which this was never manufactured with. That is clear, and proven. It's not my opinion that it was never a shotgun - BAFTE clearly states that it was never a shotgun, which is the key in making this legal in most states. Like it or not, that's the ground truth, right there. Edited December 30, 2018 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenworks Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) And you cannot legally buy one ANYWHERE in Ohio. Edited December 30, 2018 by Ravenworks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, Ravenworks said: Well I'm here to tell you that Governor Kasich said there is no way in hell that he'll ever allow them to be legal. That's an opinion, too - that doesn't fit the definition of this firearm. Strange - you can have an SBS in Ohio, legally - Short Barreled Shotgun. Go through the steps, and it's a legal item to own. So are Suppressors, SBRs, Machine Guns, Destructive Devices, and AOWs. All Ohio Legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenworks Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, 98Z5V said: That's an opinion, too - that doesn't fit the definition of this firearm. Strange - you can have an SBS in Ohio, legally - Short Barreled Shotgun. Go through the steps, and it's a legal item to own. So are Suppressors, SBRs, Machine Guns, Destructive Devices, and AOWs. All Ohio Legal. I have stamps for everything, I also have them engraved with the name of our trust on them. Our Governor really is an anti- 2A GOOF. We had a guy that bought a couple and brought them back here, of all places he tried selling them on Armslist for 1k each. I'll let you use your imagination on how that worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 I was on ace’s web site last night poking around, bottom of the page to buy it Can not ship to CA, MA or OH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot_Scraper Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 @98Z5V You got one of these? Anybody got one on here? Try to help my buddy spend his money. They GTG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 46 minutes ago, Boot_Scraper said: @98Z5V You got one of these? Anybody got one on here? Try to help my buddy spend his money. They GTG? I have two of them - they are WAY good to go, brother. WAY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot_Scraper Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 Would you recommend it for home defense? He's wanting a pistol but IMO it's hard to go wrong with a shotty behind the nightstand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Boot_Scraper said: Would you recommend it for home defense? He's wanting a pistol but IMO it's hard to go wrong with a shotty behind the nightstand. Absolutely. Even more so with Aguila Mini-Shells and the OpSol adapter. For the mini birdshot, that's 9 in the tube and one in the chamber. For the slug and/or buck, it's 8 in the tube and one in the chamber. Both of them are in this thread. Tell your buddy - don't ever try to cheek it - you'll be looking for dental implants... Edited February 9, 2019 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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98Z5V Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 Here's a great vid on the shooting techniques to use with a Shockwave - and keep your teeth... Locking that support arm out is what keeps it out of your face on recoil... You gotta pass this one to your buddy - once he gets it, he'll love a Shockwave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 That Shockwave is a dream. I love it. Anyone saying it’s ineffective is lacking in ability and imagination. I was shooting trap with it. Like any other gun, it requires training and practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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