ARTrooper Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 I generally like longer gas systems also... but some rounds are more finicky with them. have a good adjustable gas block and this should have reduce the problem. longer gas systems feel better, shorter ones just eat anything. but as long as you tune your gun to your loads, longer shouldn't be a problem. the twist like you were talking about earlier might take a bit more research. would love to hear what you find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted March 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 Piston , rifle gas , I almost ordered a Barrel today . Still need to look into this , seems SRC is the only one that makes or has them made , as far as I can tell . I'm sure any BBL> maker can make one in that Caliber , if they wanted . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, survivalshop said: Piston , rifle gas , I almost ordered a Barrel today . Still need to look into this , seems SRC is the only one that makes or has them made , as far as I can tell . I'm sure any BBL> maker can make one in that Caliber , if they wanted . My buddies over at X-caliber will make you one, any twist, gas system, length you want.......just don't ask about port size http://x-caliber.net.revlis.arvixevps.com/custom-ar-barrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted March 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) This is from a guy called 320 pf , on ARfcom. Bullet choice is very limited . Quote " During the development of this cartridge we ended up shortening the case to 1.70" (43mm) so we would have a wider range of Bullets to choose form. Because of the COL limits of the AR platform, the ogive (nose length) of the Bullet can only be 0.5" long, hence 25x45 Sharps will have a pretty limited choice of bullets because the case neck will ride up onto the ogive. All bulletswith a VLD type nose/tip (high BC bullets) have this problem the 25x45 Sharps. Some people suggest that you can trim the cases shorter as a work around. There are two problems with this however, this can cause poor accuracy and very high pressures in the rifle due to accumulation of metal jacket material that accumulates in the gap left between the case mouth and the lip the clearance of the case mouth. Here is a list of the lighter bullet with long ogives that will have problems with a 1.76" (45mm) long case. 75g Hornady VMAX 80g Barnes TTSX 85g Nosler BT 87g Speer TNT 88g BIB (This bullet has a very high BC (0.42) for it's weight. 90g Sierra. BlitzKing Edited March 21, 2017 by survivalshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 From what I've been reading, this cartridge was never designed as a long(er) distance round - just a hunting round. Anything out there with a high BC is going to have a good taper to it. There aren't many .25-caliber heavy projos that don't have a higher BC, and the taper that goes with it. So, as a hunting round, with the lighter projos available, this still has some pretty impressive punch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 As someone stated in some of the .25-40 Sharps literature, it was specifically designed as a hunting round for states where .223/.22 centerfire ammo is disallowed for hunting. I have it on good authority that, unlike Arizona, whitetails in other states are bigger than standard poodles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted March 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 Its got a a place , just not sure this Caliber is worth the extra investment over the 300BLK , my 300BLK is the lightest AR I own, I built it for Hog Hunting . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, survivalshop said: Its got a a place , just not sure this Caliber is worth the extra investment over the 300BLK , my 300BLK is the lightest AR I own, I built it for Hog Hunting . Take the .300BLK and load up some .25 caliber pills with sabots! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 hour ago, planeflyer21 said: As someone stated in some of the .25-40 Sharps literature, it was specifically designed as a hunting round for states where .223/.22 centerfire ammo is disallowed for hunting. I have it on good authority that, unlike Arizona, whitetails in other states are bigger than standard poodles. Greg Hounds not Poodles... Guy at work got a 90 pounder last fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MikedaddyH Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 What's the name of that WWE wrestler from the 90's that had the giant poodles at the ring ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Found it. This kind of makes you want to buy a Sharps 25-45 just to shoot him ! Lol ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTrooper Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 14 hours ago, MikedaddyH said: Greg Hounds not Poodles... Guy at work got a 90 pounder last fall. that's like a baby deer in Wisconsin. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, ARTrooper said: that's like a baby deer in Wisconsin. :P Yup. Mulies are where we really start to shine on deer size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTrooper Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 we don't have mule deer around here. but the county above mine has a heard of elk, not sure when they will let us hunt them, but up north there is elk hunting. but I have had white tails so big that they didn't want to even go down with a well placed shot through both lungs. is the reason I don't hunt with .243 win anymore. then again, shoot them in the head and doesn't matter what caliber it is, they drop like a rock. haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 I did snatch the upper receiver and rail for this build today. 18" barrel will be next week, as well as the RCBS die set. Let's get this caliber going, men! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 I'll experiment with Hornady projectiles on this gun. Looks like they have me covered. http://www.hornady.com/store/searchammo.php?mode=search&main_cat=250&categoryid[]=259&categoryid[]=389&categoryid[]=&x=34&y=13 VERY interested in this one... The 117gr Interlock round nose... http://www.hornady.com/store/25-Cal-.257-117-gr-RN/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Interesting opinion on the 25-45 cartridge - I like it. http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=128011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Whilst perusing information on this setup, I stumbled upon a comment that is truly fucking hilarious... " Sounds like a good deal. Have you checked with the boys at ARFCOM for dies? They are hot on the 25X45 over there. They think it is the Second Coming of Godzilla." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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survivalshop Posted March 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 5 hours ago, 98Z5V said: Interesting opinion on the 25-45 cartridge - I like it. http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=128011 Hard not to agree with that , though the 5.56 has worked for a long time , sure ,not the best for every thing , but neither is the 25-45 . The Hornady Bullets seem like they will work . I also looked at Nosler . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted March 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 7 hours ago, 98Z5V said: I did snatch the upper receiver and rail for this build today. 18" barrel will be next week, as well as the RCBS die set. Let's get this caliber going, men! Thats strange for you , components in FDE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTrooper Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 16 hours ago, 98Z5V said: Interesting opinion on the 25-45 cartridge - I like it. http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=128011 "In my pipe dreams, the military adopts this as the "barrel-swap" alternative, then it becomes incredibly inexpensive to market, then we all have parties in the cheap 223 that floods the market, while still waiting with outstretched arms for the manufacturers to take up the 25-45 flag and churn out inexpensive, hard-hitting, flat-shooting, low-recoiling rounds. Then I wake up and go to work."love that last line from him. that's basically my dream for all the unusual calibers I am interested in. Plus I liked the guy's name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted March 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 I'm still contemplating this Caliber , its just not the Barrel , its the Dies , Case gage , Bullets or a different Caliber & Powder , the rest is easy . I can get a Lee Die set for $ 30, a Case Gage for $ 38 , Bullets are no big deal & the brass is already in my stock , just needs to be formed , as with the 300BLK . I have always been of thought , that I want to keep all my firearms in calibers that are common, popular & have Milspec counter parts . Handgun -9MM, 45acp , Rifles - 5.56, 308 & even 30'06 , the 300BLK was the first odd ball Caliber I built a rifle with & I do like it , actually I like it a lot . Not sure this 25-45 Sharps has the same appeal to me now that i have thought about it & researched it . Then again , it could be a better cartridge then the 300BLK for the AR , maybe not suppressed , but all around . Just not there yet . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 2 hours ago, survivalshop said: I'm still contemplating this Caliber , its just not the Barrel , its the Dies , Case gage , Bullets or a different Caliber & Powder , the rest is easy . I can get a Lee Die set for $ 30, a Case Gage for $ 38 , Bullets are no big deal & the brass is already in my stock , just needs to be formed , as with the 300BLK . I have always been of thought , that I want to keep all my firearms in calibers that are common, popular & have Milspec counter parts . Handgun -9MM, 45acp , Rifles - 5.56, 308 & even 30'06 , the 300BLK was the first odd ball Caliber I built a rifle with & I do like it , actually I like it a lot . Not sure this 25-45 Sharps has the same appeal to me now that i have thought about it & researched it . Then again , it could be a better cartridge then the 300BLK for the AR , maybe not suppressed , but all around . Just not there yet . I feel the same way except the .25 caliber is too close to the .27 caliber I am reloading in multiple cases. The .277 Wolverine gets done before the 25-45 Shàrps. All the links that I have read are selling me on this cartridge, its a winner. As easy as the .300BO and the .277Wolverine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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