WiDeerHunter Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) Hey guys new to The Forum. This questions probably been asked a thousand times so bear with me. I am looking at getting an ar308 for the wife for deer hunting would like to keep it around the nine pound mark complete including Optics and 5 rounds with the magazine. Is it possible to build this gun for under 2 Grand or am I just better off buying a higher-end manufacturer complete gun? If it is possible do you guys have a build list of parts to use any suggestions would be helpful Edited November 21, 2017 by WiDeerHunter Miss spelled words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) Short answer yes. Welcome to the forum feel free to tell us about yourself in the intro section Edited November 21, 2017 by shepp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 WiDeer Welcome to the forum Ive got 2 308s that are right at 8 lbs 10 rd mag and optics....but ya gotta build it...got another right a 9 lbs mag and optics and it was built on the cheap....it can be done...or theres that savage that's out that weighs not much and doesn't shoot that great from my you tube views...they couldn't even get moa out of them at 100....that suks....then theres the gen2 ...is it dpms ? ill go look and get back. here ya go http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/01/14/dpms-308-gen-ii/ put a freefloat handguard on it and a good trigger then you got what ya need Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 3 hours ago, washguy said: WiDeer Welcome to the forum Ive got 2 308s that are right at 8 lbs 10 rd mag and optics....but ya gotta build it...got another right a 9 lbs mag and optics and it was built on the cheap....it can be done...or theres that savage that's out that weighs not much and doesn't shoot that great from my you tube views...they couldn't even get moa out of them at 100....that suks....then theres the gen2 ...is it dpms ? ill go look and get back. here ya go http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/01/14/dpms-308-gen-ii/ put a freefloat handguard on it and a good trigger then you got what ya need Wash You were who came to mind when I read this this morning. Most your weight is in your barrel being A hunter you could get away with a pencil barrel (right guys?) few guys here have Faxon’s and everyone seems to be happy with their product. also handguard I shaved some weight off mine with a Midwest industries guard (they’re outta Waukesha) as a hunter you might wanna go with somthing simple like a plastic magpul gaurd to save from sucking heat outta you hand too when holding and also lite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Theres better lighter cheaper hanguards than MI..... Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 17 hours ago, WiDeerHunter said: Hey guys new to The Forum. This questions probably been asked a thousand times so bear with me. I am looking at getting an ar308 for the wife for deer hunting would like to keep it around the nine pound mark complete including Optics and 5 rounds with the magazine. Is it possible to build this gun for under 2 Grand or am I just better off buying a higher-end manufacturer complete gun? If it is possible do you guys have a build list of parts to use any suggestions would be helpful What is the maximum range that your wife will engage this deer at? Put a mini red dot on it, if the range is short, like 200 yards. Massive weight savings, right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeerHunter Posted November 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Shots on my hunting land will be 125 yards or less but I intend on using this gun for hog hunting one day hopefully so there is a possibility of taking longer shots in 200 yards but then again when that time does come I could switch out to a scope with magnification thanks for the Midwest Industries tip always good to keep money local also I was looking at that 2A xanthos instead of the mega upper and lower to save weight like Shepp said ounces add up I just don't want to compromise reliability and durability for weight savings if the gun ends up weighing a pound more and is way more reliable a way more durable to me it's worth it. Thanks for all the help guys keep chiming in with your suggestions also what is the best way to reduce recoil on a gun I know a heavier gun gives you less felt recoil but is it possible to get what I want a complete gun under 9 lb and have it recoil slightly harder than a 556 I know muzzle brakes make a big difference adjustable gas blocks make a difference what do you guys think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeerHunter Posted November 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 One more thing also I just want to make sure that this gun functions flawlessly last thing I want is a $2,000 paperweight but then again like the mechanic at work said you can make anything work if you stick enough time and money into it I have the time and a little bit of money I just don't want my build costing four Grand but I think it would be really awesome to custom build a gun deck it out just like I want rather than buy one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 I would look into purchasing a DPMS G II http://dpms-gii.com/full.html#configurations Well under your weight spec's . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) WIDEE You have got several ways of doing the light weight AR308.....BUT if you want a deer slaying rifle for your wife at less than 200yds and a rifle she will want to shoot more and more is this one its a 300 blackout....hell on pigs too...nice smooth easy recoil then theres lilcupcake a 308 built on the cheap cept for the barrel weight of cupcake 9lbs9oz ...last pic is hybrid 308 with mag no optics 7lbs .2oz ...so you can see what optics do to the weight like 98Z sez Wash Edited November 22, 2017 by washguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 If I were saving weight, I’d start with a DPMS Gen II AP4. It weighs in at 7.25 lbs. I’d replace the front sight gas block with a low profile version and then the plastic handguard with an Apex CNC free float tube. Add a grip of your choice, and a MFT Minimalist stock for additional weigh drop. A decent muzzle brake will run about $60-$100. Of course a 10rd M3 PMAG would be in order... I had midwestPX make me a custom “stubby” mag for hunting it holds 5 rounds and barely sticks out of the magwell. You should be near 7 lbs before adding an optic. If you had a spare $100 laying around... remove the barrel entirely, then ship it out to be recontoured to a lighter configuration. Adco or ar15barrels.com are the first places that come to mind. You may have other resources closer or more familiar to you. No reason at all that you couldn’t make a complete sub-8 lbs rifle. Next best thing... Ruger GSR Scout with synthetic stock or a Mossberg MVP Patrol. They’re bolt rifles, but magazine fed (Ruger = AI mags, Mossy = PMAG) and built on age proven chassis, the M77 and 4x4. My deer rifle is a synthetic GSR with an AAC brake and 2x Scout scope. It’s a 200 Yard fur slayer!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeerHunter Posted November 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 That is one sweet looking rifle but I really have my heart set on a 308 that's my primary deer hunting rifle is a Remington 700 PSS bolt action 308 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 yep 8 lbs is not that hard this gun weighs in a at 8 lb 4 oz with no ammo and It is a well proven meat maker in 5 years it has 4 elk and 5 deer.....168 Barnes TTSX bullets for the win.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 If you're serious...you need to build one...but the hybrids I have takes knowledge that you prolly don't have...no disrespect so you could get gen 2 dpms and then butcher it up... lol new light barrel handguard what not...OR get this bad boy to build around http://www.vertexops.com/2A_Xanthos_Lite_Large_Frame_AR_Receiver_Set_p/2a-lfrs-1.htm couple this to a nice profile 16" barrel and light handguard 7/8 oz...now you got something Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) I fogot the bcg...theres weight in that.......so here ya go http://www.primaryarms.com/jp-enterprises-large-frame-lmos-bolt-carrier-with-polished-stainless-jpbc-4sp get you a nice drop in trigger I just got a Rise drop in for 89 bills on the deal...and see it again...compares to a velocity or mech armor ....rogers super stok.....and a handguard...don't pay thse highe prices...theres some out for cheap I got a 15" rail that weighs 9 ozs...very cheap too Wash and a light barrel with Survivals favorite rifle length gas port https://2a-arms.com/products/18-2a-lightweight-308-barrel lets buid it...im calling less than 6 pounds Wash here ya go https://2a-arms.com/ no excuses now...you are on the clock...since its the holidays you have 30 days to have it built and at the range...no lame excuses Wash Edited November 23, 2017 by washguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeerHunter Posted November 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Now you're talking I plan on ordering the 2A xanthos and other assorted Parts I won't have it together in 30 days more like 3 to 4 months can't let the wife see the bank account take a hit like that LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeerHunter Posted November 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 I think this build will be possible to keep the gun right around the 7 pound Mark 9 pounds with scope and 10 round clip with five rounds in it is doable as long as I keep the upper and lower receiver light which the 2A is a relatively like Barrel light handguard and stock the little bit of math I've done I come in right around 7 lb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) Widee glad i could help...that is first class stuff....yes it will be light ! Get you a low mass bcg....theres a lot of weight in the bcg Wash There are some handguards out at 13 inches weighing in at 9/10 ounces Edited November 24, 2017 by washguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeerHunter Posted November 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 I think this build will be possible to keep the gun right around the 7 pound Mark 9 pounds with scope and 10 round clip with five rounds in it is doable as long as I keep the upper and lower receiver light which the 2A is a relatively like Barrel light handguard and stock the little bit of math I've done I come in right around 7 lb. Nice set up magwa and a really nice elk to boot all your guns proof that a gun setup for hunting can weigh under 9 pounds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeerHunter Posted November 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Get a low-mass BCG I wouldn't then need an adjustable gas block to tune the gas system correct so I want to reduce recoil as much as possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 2 hours ago, WiDeerHunter said: Get a low-mass BCG I wouldn't then need an adjustable gas block to tune the gas system correct so I want to reduce recoil as much as possible Yes....when you start changing things up it will complicate your $hit ...a direct quote from 98Z.......so if you want to go from a heavy mass bcg to save weight you will need all the complicated $hit ....lol.....you will need the adj. Gas block...and a heavier buffer and a spring change from standard spring....with these 308's it mostly is a timing thing..no biggie though...the gas part is the cycling of the carrier mostly...felt recoil is helped with buffers and springs...they all must work in harmony....I always start with a standard buffer and spring..get it broke in...then mess with all the complicated $hit later Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Yep, don't complicate shiit with complicated shiit... Build it functional first. Stick with simple stuff - get it light. After that if you want it lighter, start adding all that low-mass this and adjustable that. Use a regular BCG to start, regular buffers, regular buffer springs... Make a functional rifle. It's gonna be ALOT easier that way, to find out that your gas port is too small and needs to be drilled up... Just an example... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeerHunter Posted November 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) That's my thought exactly get the upper lower receiver bolt carrier group and buffer system Rock Solid you can lose weight in the barrel the handguard the stock if I can keep the gun fully accessorized with scope and 10 round clip under 9 pounds I'll be more than happy. I just ordered the 2a xanthos receiver set and the mft Minimalist stock so far I'm looking at getting the 2A handguard also seems to be one of the lighter ones out there and will match the upper receiver perfectly now it comes down to Barrel and bcg I know there's a couple of good Barrel manufacturers here in Wisconsin Kriegers one of them hopefully I can get a barrel in the low 2 pound range Edited November 24, 2017 by WiDeerHunter Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) It will always be less expensive to purchase a complete Rife , then to build one . Then if you don't like something you can change it , the DPMS GII will work , just add your Optics & see how you like it . its well below your target weight & I don't usually endorse built rifles , but in this case it , it fits & you don't have to do any tweaking . Well , never mind , I see you purchased a Receiver set. Edited November 24, 2017 by survivalshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeerHunter Posted November 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Too late now just ordered the upper and lower receiver and Minimalist stock I'm just jonesing to build something or technically assemble something I figure what with all the guys on this website I should be able to get the gun dialed into where I want it I'm by no means a gunsmith or expert but I build my Remington 870 shotgun for turkey and had a lot of fun doing it I'm really starting to look forward to this build I just got to make sure all the parts are compatible and with tips and advice from you guys I should be able to get this built if I go over budget so be it the nice thing about building them in pieces like this is you can spread out the cost over months and months just my roughmath now based on what I order and will like to order I should be able to keep the gun right around the 7 lb Mark without scope or mag with scope and mag should put me just under 9 pounds the other thing I have to take in consideration being that this is a gun for the wife is recoil I'm sure with the right buffer spring bolt carrier and gas block I can get the recoil light enough but I am new to this so anybody see me making the wrong move or wrong purchase let me know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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