beachmaster Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 I know a lot of you guys probably have them, and some manufactures offer them as standard options, but who here has the coolest 14.5" 308, and how do they run? Every time I talk to the double star guys their ar308 set calls my name. Not that my wallet can answer, but a man can dream. lol Is the energy lost worth the drop in weight/ length? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 @edgecrusher has a 14.5" PWS... @98Z5V has a 13.7" AR-10 build... I have shot both, and can swear by the both of them. The 13.7" is a BEAST. That being said, I don't know Double Star, so I can't speak on their behalf. If you are interested in building your own, we can definitely help you find the parts. You could always strip the barrel off your GenII and we can have that sonbitch chopped off. It's only be a about $100-$150 to get that thing humming again. Might need an adjustable GB and a new buffer weight?? (I thought you were downsizing, not adding to the stable?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted June 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Im not adding to the stable, just fantasizing, and hoping that you guys would help me fight these urges lololol The thing is, Double Star is local, I am going to work with them on some of their knife stuff for reviewing, and I would like to do a shop tour for them, and maybe launch some lead with them. I would sure like to own some of their pew pew stuff, because I think they are a cool bunch of guys. But I have to crack the code on actually making money before I spend any, so for the time being, yeah, I am downsizing everything accept the homestead. Less guns, less knives, more plants, animals, and fruit trees. lol Im betting against the crowns longevity at this point. Or at least the crowns ability to keep the status quo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Getting a LW 16" barrel, with a Ti muzzle device, will reduce your weight (and barrel swing) without toying with function or having to deal with pinning/welding the device. A Faxon LW barrel with a 2A Armament Ti device would be a HUGE weight reduction. The Faxon "Gunner" is slightly heavier, and I think a better barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted June 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 I would like to go with a new light weight barrel for my gii, and I believe I talked to Faxon already and they said they would do it. Its a $ problem tbh, even for that. With that being said... The Double Star upper and lower are TANKY! They look wild! Maybe Ill try to upload a picture. But they are heavy. A light weight 14.5" barrel (probably also from faxon) and a double star cqb UL buttstock assembly would make a TINY package with a little reflex sight.... it would have all the pew. The thought makes my heart have all those butterflys that girls talk about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted June 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Its kinda over sized, and ugly, and big, and ugly... but I want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted June 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 It would also be cool as an 11.5" fire breather, but idk if that would be worth it with the 308 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted June 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Where is @98Z5V when you need him!? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, beachmaster said: Where is @98Z5V when you need him!? ? He’s like fucking beetle juice don’t say his name three times!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) I've been beckoned... and I appear... Jacob, mine's an Aero Precision receiver set and 12" rail, with all Armalite guts. Gen-U-Wine AR-10 Carbine Recoil System, complete, AR-10 BCG, 13.5" barrel, and their competition muzzle brake (pinned/welded to the barrel) - which get's it just over 16", but just under 16.1". Worked out perfect, for "legal." This thing is a SOLID PERFORMER, brother! I've functionally proven that a complete Armalite AR-10 operating system will work - very, very successfully - in DPMS-based receivers. Edited June 17, 2018 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted June 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Great Googly Moogly its beautiful... What are the terminal ballistics like? Or what do you think they are like? Have you reached out with it? That barrel looks nice and light too. Its perfect. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) That thing is 0~300 yards, point and shoot with the red dot. It's ridiculous. It was primarily fed my .308 range ammo loadings - whatever .308 brass I have on hand, CCI 200 primers, Hornady 150 gr FMJ-BT projectiles, and 44.0 grains of RL-15 powder. I don't think I've stretched it beyond that, but I will this fall. I'll see what kind of holdover it needs for 450 yards. Here's the build thread on that thing... Edited June 17, 2018 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Here's the barrel, brother - the specs are screwed, and they still haven't fixed that yet. It IS NOT a 1:8" twist rate - IT IS a 1:10" twist rate. https://www.armalite.com/product/ar10-308-13-5-target-barrel/ YOU NEED THEIR BRAKE FOR IT, TO GET IT LEGAL. It's a true 13.5" barrel, so muzzle devices meant to get a 13.7" barrel to the legal limit just won't do it. I pulled the "Tunable Competition Brake" from DSG Arms for alot cheaper than Armalite's MSRP. https://www.armalite.com/product/103gnbrk01-ar10-tunable-competition-muzzle-brake/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgecrusher Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 My pws is a good shooter for sure. I am still sitting on a SBR build with a Leonidas barrel. Now I have a couple days off so maybe I’ll get all my shit together on that and send out my paperwork Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted June 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 You guys are my heros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Use one of these and you can go as short as you want on the barrel without the paperwork and still use a standard carbine buffer tube. https://www.sb-tactical.com/product/sba3/ I have a 12.5 inch build in the works with one of these right now. My Sig P716 has a 12.5 inch barrel but the piston system makes it a bit of a pig for such a short weapon. I like the MK 319 mod 0 ammo for the short stuff, designed specifically for short barrels. I haven't shot the 716 much past 250 yards or so but it does just fine and could most likely stretch out a bit more without a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted June 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 I have considered the pistol route, but idk if i would really want to go much shorter than 14.5 anyways. Maybe 14.5 with a 1" break instead of 1.5"... But man... someday, someday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgecrusher Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 50 minutes ago, beachmaster said: I have considered the pistol route, but idk if i would really want to go much shorter than 14.5 anyways. Maybe 14.5 with a 1" break instead of 1.5"... But man... someday, someday. You’ll get there man, don’t sweat it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted June 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Heck yeah So is anybody running 14.5" mid length gas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, beachmaster said: Heck yeah So is anybody running 14.5" mid length gas? That's basically what my setup is, minus that extra inch in barrel length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted June 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Oh for some reason i thought you were running carbine gas.... You know what, i should just get my barrel hacked, but i also want to get it turned down, at which point i might as well just get another barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 My Aero M5 is mid gas had barrel cut down for Battle Comp welded on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 1 hour ago, unforgiven said: My Aero M5 is mid gas had barrel cut down for Battle Comp welded on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 On 6/17/2018 at 9:13 AM, beachmaster said: Oh for some reason i thought you were running carbine gas.... You know what, i should just get my barrel hacked, but i also want to get it turned down, at which point i might as well just get another barrel. Ar15Barrels.com can set you up. $40 chops/threads your barrel. Then $60 reprofiles your entire barrel. He will pin/weld a muzzle device while he has it too! You would have the only 14.5” Gii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted June 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 Oooohhhhhhhhhhhh... You guys are always good for this. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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