Lonewolf McQuade Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 Just now, 98Z5V said: Nope. If anything, it makes them all uniformly as accurate as you loaded them. Puts a uniform crimp on every round - as long as you pay attention to sizing them the same case length. Even it they're a few thou off, in case length - the crimp puts consistent tension on the projectile. Got it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf McQuade Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, 98Z5V said: Nope. If anything, it makes them all uniformly as accurate as you loaded them. Puts a uniform crimp on every round - as long as you pay attention to sizing them the same case length. Even it they're a few thou off, in case length - the crimp puts consistent tension on the projectile. I'd be looking for a 3 die set including a full length sizer, bullet seat, & a factory crimp? Please excuse my ignorance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 37 minutes ago, Lonewolf McQuade said: I'd be looking for a 3 die set including a full length sizer, bullet seat, & a factory crimp? Please excuse my ignorance You can use whatever your preference is for dies - RCBS, Hornady, whatever. I have a mix of those two brands, mainly, and maybe 3 sets of Lee dies. The Lee Factory Crimp die is available separately, usually for about $15 each. No matter what RCBS or Hornady dies I have - I have a Lee Factory Crimp die for each caliber. It stays in the box with the other dies. 6 ARC is a good example - I waited for Hornady to drop their 2-die set for that, then grabbed a Lee Factory Crimp die as soon as it came out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf McQuade Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 1 minute ago, 98Z5V said: You can use whatever your preference is for dies - RCBS, Hornady, whatever. I have a mix of those two brands, mainly, and maybe 3 sets of Lee dies. The Lee Factory Crimp die is available separately, usually for about $15 each. No matter what RCBS or Hornady dies I have - I have a Lee Factory Crimp die for each caliber. It stays in the box with the other dies. 6 ARC is a good example - I waited for Hornady to drop their 2-die set for that, then grabbed a Lee Factory Crimp die as soon as it came out. Nice! So the factory crimp die would be used last? (after seating bullet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lonewolf McQuade said: Do the crimp dies effect accuracy at all? Nothing I can add to what 98Z said. From a safety standpoint in greater then 5 round box magazines and tubular magazines it is a good idea also. Edited August 27, 2020 by Sisco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Lonewolf McQuade said: Nice! So the factory crimp die would be used last? (after seating bullet) Last thing before you put them in their storage box until range time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf McQuade Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Sisco said: Oops Edited August 27, 2020 by Lonewolf McQuade Wrong pic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 Crimp dies can be used with any Reloading die set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 (edited) One thing about the accuracy - if they're all crimped the same way, at the same tension - then once the primer ignites, they'll have that same neck tension and build to the same pressure - before the projectile is launched from the case. If anything, they make ammo more accurate, that way. You'll definitely see more consistent muzzle velocities, if you're shooting with a chronograph. It's just another piece of the puzzle, brother... Plus - you crimp everything that goes through a semi-auto, like Sisco said, and crimping is absolutely mandatory for anything tube fed, like a 45-70 leever gun. If you've ever seen bullet set-back, it's some pretty skeery shiit - and it compacts the powder charge, and spikes the pressure because of that. Bullet set-back is pretty bad through a semi-auto - it would be completely catastrophic if it ever happened in my 45-70, with the 405gr projectiles I load for that thing. It wouldn't be a blown-up gun - I'd have a blown up torso... Edited August 27, 2020 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf McQuade Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 Thanks for the info fellas. I got some learning to do. Going to try to get all the equipment needed & read. Think I got plenty of time to learn considering there isn't a fucken primer & not much powder I want to be found in the country.! 🤣 I'll be looking for Varget, RL19, RL22. FUN TIMES..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Lonewolf McQuade said: I'll be looking for Varget, RL19, RL22. FUN TIMES..... What cartridge are you loading, brother?... That's a wide range, on those powders right there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf McQuade Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 16 minutes ago, 98Z5V said: What cartridge are you loading, brother?... That's a wide range, on those powders right there... The RL19 for my 25-06 85gr, RL22 for 270wsm 130gr, Varget for the 308 168gr. I've reloaded the 25-06 & 270WSM in the past & got great loads for those. I've NOT tried 308 yet. Do you have better powder suggestions for 308 instead of Varget? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooterrex Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 I use Varget for 308 and 223. That's the only rifle rounds I load right now. 6.5 creedmoor and Grendel are next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 21 hours ago, Lonewolf McQuade said: The RL19 for my 25-06 85gr, RL22 for 270wsm 130gr, Varget for the 308 168gr. I've reloaded the 25-06 & 270WSM in the past & got great loads for those. I've NOT tried 308 yet. Do you have better powder suggestions for 308 instead of Varget? That makes perfect sense now... I thought you were using those powders for one load workup... I was thinking WOW! That's some crazy range of powders to be using... Varget is great for .308 Win and 5.56 heavies. RL-15 is just about it's twin, too. I switched to RL-15 after the 2012 Shortage... I'm running Accurate 2495 for my .308 Win 178gr ELD-X loads now. I run RL-22 for my .260 Rem, .300 Win Mag, and .338 LM loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf McQuade Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 1 minute ago, 98Z5V said: I thought you were using those powders for one load workup... I was thinking WOW Lol. I'm smart enough to know that I don't know Shiit, but cautious with explosives.(excluding juggling a wife & a girlfriend) 😂🤣💣💥 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Lonewolf McQuade said: (excluding juggling a wife & a girlfriend) 😂🤣💣💥 You just became my new Hero... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf McQuade Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, 98Z5V said: You just became my new Hero... Long story short, I survived & am now down to just the girlfriend 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
392heminut Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 On 8/26/2020 at 6:26 PM, Lonewolf McQuade said: What does the small base die do differently? It sizes the base of the brass a little bit smaller and it sizes down just a bit closer to the extractor groove (smaller radius entrance to the die). I've never really had a problem with .223 but I HAVE had issues with .308! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf McQuade Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 4 hours ago, 392heminut said: It sizes the base of the brass a little bit smaller and it sizes down just a bit closer to the extractor groove (smaller radius entrance to the die). I've never really had a problem with .223 but I HAVE had issues with .308! How will the small base die effect the cartridge for also being used in a bolt action? Will reloads be good for both bolt & semi or is it better to get regular set of dies for bolt gun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Lonewolf McQuade said: How will the small base die effect the cartridge for also being used in a bolt action? Will reloads be good for both bolt & semi or is it better to get regular set of dies for bolt gun? If you're gonna shoot the the exact same hand-loaded brass from a bolt gun AND a semi-auto, or several semi-auto guns, then the Small Base dies are what you should be using. If you were only shooting the exact same brass, through the exact same bolt gun, ALL the time - then you could get away with just a standard sizing die, and just enough to bump the shoulder back, maybe 0.002" at most - and that gun would LOVE that brass. If you're mixing-and-matching a loaded cartridge between a few semis and bolt guns - then the Small Base die is the only true friend that you really have - and it's gonna size that brass down to fit into the most demanding chamber, no matter what the specs are, bolt-gun or AR semi - minimum case dimensions for the brass, but more for minimum case dimensions for the specs/drawings on that specific cartridge - Small Base dies bring that fired brass all the way down to the dimensions of the cartridge, in it's original form - unfired. All the other dies, that "say they're your friend..." - they'll just fuk you over. They like to talk like they can perform, like the hookers in the bar - but they can't do for you what the Small Base die can... She's your bitch, right there, if that's what you're doing... Sorry, brother - had to break it down in terms that made sense, so you could understand it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf McQuade Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 23 minutes ago, 98Z5V said: If you're gonna shoot the the exact same hand-loaded brass from a bolt gun AND a semi-auto, or several semi-auto guns, then the Small Base dies are what you should be using. If you were only shooting the exact same brass, through the exact same bolt gun, ALL the time - then you could get away with just a standard sizing die, and just enough to bump the shoulder back, maybe 0.002" at most - and that gun would LOVE that brass. If you're mixing-and-matching a loaded cartridge between a few semis and bolt guns - then the Small Base die is the only true friend that you really have - and it's gonna size that brass down to fit into the most demanding chamber, no matter what the specs are, bolt-gun or AR semi - minimum case dimensions for the brass, but more for minimum case dimensions for the specs/drawings on that specific cartridge - Small Base dies bring that fired brass all the way down to the dimensions of the cartridge, in it's original form - unfired. All the other dies, that "say they're your friend..." - they'll just fuk you over. They like to talk like they can perform, like the hookers in the bar - but they can't do for you what the Small Base die can... She's your bitch, right there, if that's what you're doing... Sorry, brother - had to break it down in terms that made sense, so you could understand it... Thanks for dumbing it down to even my level 😂 fuker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Lonewolf McQuade said: Thanks for dumbing it down to even my level 😂 fuker Hey, brother - don't ever forget that I'm HERE for you, no matter what you need. I'm also here to help all the window-lickers in the back of the bus, because we just can't leave them behind. One day - we're gonna NEED those fuckers on OUR side... Watch this quote wind up on a CNN News feed somewhere... HEY!!! CNN!!!... Lick THIS!!... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lonewolf McQuade Posted August 29, 2020 Report Share Posted August 29, 2020 I already got the Lee Ultimate 4 die set including factory crimp coming. Can I just order a small base resizer die & be covered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf McQuade Posted August 31, 2020 Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 On 8/29/2020 at 1:58 AM, 98Z5V said: bump the shoulder back, maybe 0.002" at This is done by setting die that much deeper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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