preeze Posted February 7, 2012 Report Posted February 7, 2012 hello everybody!so I'm new to the AR platform in general and just picked up a used Armalite AR10 T about 2 weeks ago.seems to be a first gen model with the old mag and a 24" black barrel.paid $925 for it at a friends gun shop and bought 80 rounds of Winchester fmj bt 145 grain ammo.first 10 rounds shot, 3 cases got slammed in the bolt when ejecting.it didn't short stroke because there was a live round being chambered everytime it failed to fully eject.cleaned the rifle, and fired 3 rounds the next day.all 3 also failed to fully clear the bolt and got slammed.next weekend, 2 out of 3 got hit by the closing bolt!!all of the empties are aiming nose out and pinched about 1/4" from the base.could this be the ammo? or do I have more serious problems??it ejects fine by hand but not when shooting!any input would be GREATLY appreciated.thanks
mrraley Posted February 7, 2012 Report Posted February 7, 2012 hello everybody!so I'm new to the AR platform in general and just picked up a used Armalite AR10 T about 2 weeks ago.seems to be a first gen model with the old mag and a 24" black barrel.paid $925 for it at a friends gun shop and bought 80 rounds of Winchester fmj bt 145 grain ammo.first 10 rounds shot, 3 cases got slammed in the bolt when ejecting.it didn't short stroke because there was a live round being chambered everytime it failed to fully eject.cleaned the rifle, and fired 3 rounds the next day.all 3 also failed to fully clear the bolt and got slammed.next weekend, 2 out of 3 got hit by the closing bolt!!all of the empties are aiming nose out and pinched about 1/4" from the base.could this be the ammo? or do I have more serious problems??it ejects fine by hand but not when shooting!any input would be GREATLY appreciated.thanksRight there is your problem... You might want to go to ArmaLite's web site and down load the owners manual and take some time to framilurize yourself with it. ArmaLite rifles are known not to play nice with underpowered ammo. You may want to look at a minimum of 150 grain... but for that perticular rifle I would look more toward the 168 grain.
preeze Posted February 7, 2012 Author Report Posted February 7, 2012 thank you very much!I was thinking ammo was the problem seeing as how the rifle appears to be mechanically sound.I've viewed the pdf. manual at Armalite but could only find one for the A1 and A2 not the T model.I'll pick up some good ammo this weekend and give it a shot.thanks again,Jon
Retired JM Posted February 7, 2012 Report Posted February 7, 2012 If the problem persists after the ammo change, then I would suspect the mag. Gen 1 mags were problematic at best. Gen 2 ironed out all of the problems
mrraley Posted February 7, 2012 Report Posted February 7, 2012 Here is a quote directly from page 17 of the owners manual that I have on file...If your AR-10® Series firearm is chambered for 7.62 cartridges, it will fire all standardized U.S. military 7.62X51 mm cartridges and all factory loaded cartridges in .308 Winchester caliber. Do not attempt to fire any other cartridges in this firearm. Projectiles between 150 grain and 175 grain weight provide a good combination of accuracy and functional reliability, with 168 grain particularly recommended. If your AR-10® Series firearm is chambered for any cartridge other than 7.62mm, it will fire appropriate cartridges manufactured to SAAMI standards.The AR-10®(T) has a specially lapped match grade barrel. It is superbly accurate when used with Black Hills molybdenum disulfide coated match ammunition, Federal or other match quality ammunition. Naturally, accuracy is less impressive if lower quality ammunition is used.
unforgiven Posted February 7, 2012 Report Posted February 7, 2012 Welcome from Indiana brother Preeze.
preeze Posted February 7, 2012 Author Report Posted February 7, 2012 thanks all, you've been a big help.and one of the first things I did when this started to happen was fire a round after I took the mag out. it still pinched the brass, so I know it's not the mag.I'll hit the gun shop this weekend and grab a few different brands of 7.62 in 168 grain and see what happens.
preeze Posted February 12, 2012 Author Report Posted February 12, 2012 okay, bought 40 rounds of Federal premium gold medal match 168g bthpand 40 of PRVI Partizan match bthp 168g (was a little cheaper)going to the range today to test it out, I'll let you all know if this works.thanks again for the help!
survivalshop Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 I hope the different ammo works out for ya, but the rifle should have no problem with milspec ammo , IMO.The heaver weight bullets may help ,but I think there is some thing else going on . Remember run her wet with oil & while we are on oil , what oil are you using ?
preeze Posted February 12, 2012 Author Report Posted February 12, 2012 Hoppe's 9 oil.used it all my life with no problems.mechanically, everything seems fine with the rifle so the cheap ammo was my first guess.
unforgiven Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 I still use CLP on everything couple of drops of oil on gas rings,charging handle,take down pins and under BC after it's finished gonna go to G96.After a shooting session still just wipe off firing pin,good stuff.Light enough for winter shooting.
skeeter Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 and my favorite,MC25Bhttp://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=24410/avs%7CManufacturer_1=MIL-COMM%20PRODUCTS%20COMPANY/Product/WEAPON-CARE-PRODUCTS
unforgiven Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Checked out your link brother Skeeter there are a lot of good products out.Weapon Shield sent me a sample of thier product haven't used it yet.If you call then they will send one out,that was very nice of them. <thumbsup>
preeze Posted February 12, 2012 Author Report Posted February 12, 2012 well, seeing as how it hasn't gotten above 9 degrees here in MA. I think I'll skip the range and just take a few shots in the yard to see what it does.
edgecrusher Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 preeze, where are you in ma? i'm out here in westfield.
preeze Posted February 12, 2012 Author Report Posted February 12, 2012 just over the mountain in the Berkshires.Otis area.
edgecrusher Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 nice, half hour from here. we should get together and shoot, see if we can sort that rifle out.
preeze Posted February 12, 2012 Author Report Posted February 12, 2012 yip, not far at all!there was a nice gun shop just after the big arch bridge coming into westfield.can't remember the store name or even what route that is but I know it's shortly after coming DOWN the mountain into westfield.and back to the topic, fired 10 rounds of the Federal 168 with no fte.think that was the problem.ps, anyone interested in a magpul prs stock?? got one, don't care for it.
edgecrusher Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 come down 23, take a left on 20, b&g is 1/2 mile away. i have a friends house that i regularly shoot at who lives off 23 just past russell pond. too bad about the prs, should go quickly here, post it in the for sale area
Matt.Cross Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 yip, not far at all!there was a nice gun shop just after the big arch bridge coming into westfield.can't remember the store name or even what route that is but I know it's shortly after coming DOWN the mountain into westfield.and back to the topic, fired 10 rounds of the Federal 168 with no fte.think that was the problem.ps, anyone interested in a magpul prs stock?? got one, don't care for it.Is it the AR-10 type? If it is, PM me your asking price including shipping to zip code 28650.
unforgiven Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 i have a friends house that i regularly shoot at. Out this way they call that a drive by. :auto:
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