greenmist Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 BP dumps 1600+ gallons into Lake Michigan, got to live near/on Michigan, watch your water intake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 If that's the one at the Whiting refinery that was a few weeks ago.Seemed like it was contained,but I wasn't there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasyEJL Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 maybe it will kill the invasive Chinese carp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 What get's me is BP is ALWAYS higher with the price of gas.At some places their is a Speedway next to the BP and they are always lower even if it's a few cents,yet people will still stop at the BP I don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) Exxon stations were full after the Exxon Valdez accident too. <dontknow> Just like the big line of BS after 9/11…15 of 19 are Saudi citizens, funded by Saudi royals. The USA could have had 20 new refineries and every American employed providing $0.15/gallon gasoline, harvested from Pennsylvania to California, North Dakota to Texas. What's the issue according to them? A retarded S. American "communist" (a bad one, not like a Chinese or Vietnamese commie trading partner, but like a Cuban commie) who should be boycotted…not the Bush/Obama buddies the Sauds. "Can't be done." Bullcrap. We were bombed by Japan in December 1941 and by July 1942 our entire industrial base had been converted, and we were supplying weapons to EVERYONE fighting Italy, Germany, and Japan. Follow the money. Edited April 19, 2014 by planeflyer21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmist Posted April 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Yup, follow the money. So, that brings up an investigative question in my mind: WHERE do you (BP) send that much money, to get an entire media region of northern Indiana and Chicago, to ignore 1600 gallons of tar sands oil spilled into your best fresh water supply? Obviously it's BP sending the money, but to WHO? Who is it that can control THAT MANY news outlets at once-TV, radio, print, and electronic? WTF is that chain of money to follow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 It was in the news here right away.About 10 yrs.Gas was through the roof ..... again...and I found gas cheaper in Yellowstone National park, cheaper than it was by the house with the refinery in my backyard. <dontknow> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmist Posted April 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 The "Merchants of Doubt"...interesting piece by RT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuP-3c3Ybnk&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Now they are talking about shipping tar sands oil and shale oil via the great lakes. One spill would take out one of the Great Lakes, maybe more if it was upstream. Insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmist Posted April 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Now they are talking about shipping tar sands oil and shale oil via the great lakes. One spill would take out one of the Great Lakes, maybe more if it was upstream. Insane. Yup, I guess Enbridge is building several new holding tanks up by you? So, here's a great question for Enbridge/Koch Brothers: If this oil is going to be used for our "energy independence", why not refine it onsite at it's central location in North America (Alberta)? Answer: Because it's not going to stay here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Don't know about that…it would be hard for one spill to poison the Great Lakes on the scale industry did in the 1960s and 1970s. Fish kills, algae blooms, Cuyahoga River catching on fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmist Posted April 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Don't know about that…it would be hard for one spill to poison the Great Lakes on the scale industry did in the 1960s and 1970s. Fish kills, algae blooms, Cuyahoga River catching on fire. 6.5 Million gallons. That was the hold capacity of the Fitzgerald. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 I'm more referring to every factory, city, county, state, small business, big business, and Tom, Dick, Harry, and June, dumping anything and everything everywhere whenever. Anyone remember the news reports saying the Great Lakes would never have live fish in them again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Back in the day as a kid it was SOP to sewer dump oil change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Yup. All the dads on our block used to change oil in the cars about the same time, then pour it on grass and weeds in the alleys. "Keeps the dust down." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmist Posted April 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 1600 gallons was more than likely 1600 barrels. There was a BP pipeline rupture in east-central Wisconsin a couple of years ago. Initially they said it was just 1000 gallons, because all their high tech gear detected it quickly. Turned out it was 1000 barrels, right into a wetland marsh area; 55,000 gallons. Brilliant cover up. Some years ago we had a great ® Governor here, Lee Dreyfus. Just going from memory here-he made comment that we in WI need to protect our waters as..." someday they'll be paying $50 a barrel for oil but our Great Lakes water shed will be priceless." So here we are at about $100 a barrel for oil (55 gallons), and lets say a pint of bottled Dasani is $1 at your Circle K= $440 a barrel. Pump price on gas still puts "value" of oil at 50% of our water. So I recently asked the Mayor of Superior, who is a huge supporter of Enbridge and the Koch Brothers' tar sands pipeline, where he will MOVE to for his fresh water supply after they have their first major spill there in Superior. He refused to answer. Didn't say a word. Follow the money... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 So here we are at about $100 a barrel for oil (55 gallons), and lets say a pint of bottled Dasani is $1 at your Circle K= $440 a barrel. Pump price on gas still puts "value" of oil at 50% of our water. Just for future reference, a barrel of oil is a special measurement unto itself, at 42 gallons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel#Oil_storage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmist Posted April 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Just for future reference, a barrel of oil is a special measurement unto itself, at 42 gallons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel#Oil_storage Meh, interesting that you use the word "reference" per Wikipedia, as it is not a reference to be used even in standard 2-year college research papers: anyone can go into the accounts and "edit" whatever information they want to. For example, here is the editing listing of who edited what, and when on just the "barrel" page... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barrel&action=history But, thanks for the heads up, you are correct... http://www.onlineconversion.com/volume.htm OK, so we only had 42,000 gallons of oil spill here, into a marsh. Cool. Here we have crossed again into the "Merchants of Doubt" territory. So, if BP did in Indiana, what they did here in WI it was 1600 barrels of oil into Lake Michigan of tar sands oil, or 67,200 gallons. Tar Sands oil: As result of the solvents added to Tar sands oil, in order to make it flow through a pipeline a solvent has to be added. That solvent makes the sands oil a Haz Mat classification which the Koch Brothers insurance company does not cover for spills-that's just how nasty it is. You cannot clean it up. Guess who pays for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microgunner Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Just read the report and BP reports 39 barrels, 1638 gallons, of oil spilled at the Whitney refinery. They do not appear to be trying to pass off barrels as gallons as you imply. I think you're doing a pretty good job as a minister of disinformation yourself from the posts I've read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Tar Sands oil: As result of the solvents added to Tar sands oil, in order to make it flow through a pipeline a solvent has to be added. That solvent makes the sands oil a Haz Mat classification which the Koch Brothers insurance company does not cover for spills-that's just how nasty it is. You cannot clean it up. Guess who pays for it? This is why it's better to move it via pipeline, than via rail or ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmist Posted April 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Just read the report and BP reports 39 barrels, 1638 gallons, of oil spilled at the Whitney refinery. They do not appear to be trying to pass off barrels as gallons as you imply. I think you're doing a pretty good job as a minister of disinformation yourself from the posts I've read. I'd say your doing a very consistent job being a "merchant of doubt" for all the corporate entities. Excellent work you got, for BP there. BP lies in Wisconsin and all of the Gulf of Mexico states and waters as well. Your believing they're telling the truth suddenly, in Indiana, is most telling of all. Thank You. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt.Cross Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 I'd say your doing a very consistent job being a "merchant of doubt" for all the corporate entities. Excellent work you got, for BP there. BP lies in Wisconsin and all of the Gulf of Mexico states and waters as well. Your believing they're telling the truth suddenly, in Indiana, is most telling of all. Thank You. Arguments and division are all good and well, and readily available on any other forum on the web, but genuine disrespect doesn't have any place here. If you have solid evidence of which you speak, present it. Otherwise, make an attempt to realize that your conjecture holds no more value than anyone else's, and we'll all get along just fine. Bickering promises to be short lived here, so just don't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNP Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Here's an interesting link. When you compare materials that are closer to the raw level than say, bottled Dasani water....you get a little different view. Here's a link to a water utility site. The rate is $2.81 per unit of water and that's 1000 gallons. https://www.cityofmadison.com/water/contact/billing.cfm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmist Posted April 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Here's an interesting link. When you compare materials that are closer to the raw level than say, bottled Dasani water....you get a little different view. Here's a link to a water utility site. The rate is $2.81 per unit of water and that's 1000 gallons.https://www.cityofmadison.com/water/contact/billing.cfm That's an interesting perception twist for muddying the waters, but it has nothing to do with what Governor Lee Dreyfus was talking about : market value, and valuing our natural resources for the future generations. We are now beyond what Gov. Dreyfus was talking about per pricing, and valuing fresh water more than oil by USD values. The petroleum corporations see this and are using these extreme guerrilla marketing tactics in order to twist perception that oil is more important than clean water : Americans for Prosperity literally holds workshops and instructs their recruits on how to lie, for instance, in online/Forum scenarios about subjects like this. As British Petroleum continues to pollute our waters at will, control perceptions via the "Merchants of Doubt" about oil spills, lies about spill volume as they did here in Wisconsin, we lose more of the fresh water, and this is not a renewable resource. There is not a set of options for producing synthetic water. LOL. It's not an extreme idea to see that the more oil which is spilled into fresh water, the less fresh water we have. Some friends bought a boat slip down on the Gulf side of FLA to put their sailboat into for winters. (Obviously salt water.) They did this about a year before the BP Deepwater Horizon spill of 200 some million gallons. Last month they saw rubber tar sheets wash up on their shores. Who is it that wants to be around a rubberized oil slick washing up on the shore? LOL! Nobody. Who wants to eat the seafood? Nobody. Who's going fishing in that? The uninformed. Get informed and pass it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 You just won't quit, will ya? Show me a picture of your semiautomatic 308 rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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