And yet again , more ammo for the DHS

[survivalshop]

http://www.infowars.com/homeland-security-to-purchase-25-million-shotgun-rounds/

[greenmist]

Well, you know, gotta get ahead of the curve for duck and wabbit season. 

[gnatshooter]

The DHS wants slugs and buckshot. They won't be hunting deer and hogs.

 

They'll be hunting civilians, come on, what else would they shoot at with that stuff.

[survivalshop]

 This is just another way to keep any form of ammo out of our hands , because it keeps the manufacturers busy making it for the Gov.. They will probably be buying Millions of Arrows & Bolts next ! <laughs>

[greenmist]

 This is just another way to keep any form of ammo out of our hands , because it keeps the manufacturers busy making it for the Gov.. They will probably be buying Millions of Arrows & Bolts next ! <laughs>

 

Did you look at who took the contract, or is it just out on the table?

[DNP]

Customs and border patrol.

[greenmist]

Customs and border patrol.

 

No, "who took the contract" is per which manufacturer is going to fulfill it.

 

I see it's still open.  

[DNP]

I wasn't answering you. Pointing out that this order is primarily for border protection and customs per the original link. I'm aware that BP and customs don't manufacture ammo, thanks though.

I'm perfectly ok with buying 5 million rounds a year for the next 5 years for those guys. Almost doesn't sound like enough.

[98Z5V]

I'm perfectly ok with buying 5 million rounds a year for the next 5 years for those guys. Almost doesn't sound like enough.

 

Yep.  <thumbsup>

[greenmist]

DHS

[planeflyer21]

Shite…that would barely keep us covered for the Arizona shoots.

[survivalshop]

5 million rounds a year , whats that break down to per officer ? I also have no problem with ammo that's needed , but the way I see it , its a pattern or buying spree .

Edited April 24, 2014 by survivalshop

[98Z5V]

21,000 agents at the end of 2012, but there's a push for more (in 2013).  Not sure if they got that through, but they were pushing for 40,000.

 

5,000,000 / 21,000 = about 238 per agent.  Per year.

5,000,000 / 40,000 = 125 per agent. Per year.

Edited April 25, 2014 by 98Z5V

[planeflyer21]

IRS agents get allotted 2 50-round boxes of ammo per month…and not everyone uses it.

 

I'm thinking GREAT surplus deals in a few years!

[392heminut]

I don't know what Border Patrol Agents are allotted but I have 2K rounds of 40 S&W in my stash that says they don't all use it! :P

[98Z5V]

Where's greenmist - I'd like to hear his take on being allotted 238 rounds of 12ga. 

 

 

Per Year.

 

 

That's not even enough for one range event, if you're training properly.

Edited April 25, 2014 by 98Z5V

[planeflyer21]

The Tucson Trap & Skeet Club just hosted the World Championships (again), a week-long event.  It was reported to me they went through 80,000 shells of 12 gauge per day.  

 

Let alone all the 16, 20, 28, and .410 users.

[survivalshop]

21,000 agents at the end of 2012, but there's a push for more (in 2013).  Not sure if they got that through, but they were pushing for 40,000.

 

5,000,000 / 21,000 = about 238 per agent.  Per year.

5,000,000 / 40,000 = 125 per agent. Per year.

Those would be good numbers if they all had to shoot 12 ga. slugs & " 00 " for qualifications . 

[planeflyer21]

Not sure how the feds do it.

 

For AZ corrections we had to run through bird shot, buck shot, and slugs, plus rubber buck.  Always with the familiarization with each, then a couple of runs of "riot loads" (bird, bird, buck, buck, buck, slug, slug) for familiarization with the loading combo (reverse order).

 

Qualification for accuracy was always with 00 buckshot.

[greenmist]

Where's greenmist - I'd like to hear his take on being allotted 238 rounds of 12ga. 

 

 

Per Year.

 

 

That's not even enough for one range event, if you're training properly.

 

What? If you need 238 rounds of 12 ga. for practice and making qual. there's a problem.

 

Training properly? LOL! Pistols and rifles are a perishable skill-scatter guns have always been qualed with, using BuckShot in my agencies up here-if you NEED 238 rounds to do so around here, you'd be on the range after we all left and then shooting with the next group who need to re-qual! That's not my opinion, that IS a FACT!  

[blue109]

meh. border patrol is the only alphabet agency that has a real purpose. I don't mind them getting some extra ammo.

[greenmist]

Exactly, put em in the MRAPs and have at er... 

[washguy]

"The problem with fascism is the Koch whore Brothers Country Club Copywrote it."

So Greenmist.....what are your feelings bout George Soros? :) Wash

[StainTrain]

What? If you need 238 rounds of 12 ga. for practice and making qual. there's a problem.

 

Training properly? LOL! Pistols and rifles are a perishable skill-scatter guns have always been qualed with, using BuckShot in my agencies up here-if you NEED 238 rounds to do so around here, you'd be on the range after we all left and then shooting with the next group who need to re-qual! That's not my opinion, that IS a FACT!

Most Feds qualify quarterly with optional practice shoots. The small number of rounds you suggest maybe sufficient if you are just shooting paper for liability purposes. If you are training people to actually fight with the shotgun, then 238 per agent is a low number.

[DNP]

Stain, that's just your OPINION. He stated a FACT.

When you train to shoot with a 3 man rapid response team for the largest mall in America, one where you have already saved the virginity of the mayors nephew...you only need a few a year. MAX.

Let's see.

1st I'm sorry

2nd thank you for pitching another fat one.