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Good deal , even though I don't have the money to blow , I ordered one any way . I just happen to have an extra 308 charging now. Damn all you guy's , I'm trying to retire this year , don't ya know !

I believe my FA 16" barrel with full length gas system has plenty of gas to play with . We are talking about a 308 . You will want to run an adj. gas block , as said , with the LMOS BCG . I'm not a fan of weight reduction in the BCG , but if using a LMOS BCG , an adj. gas block will let you tune it the way you want .

Did you ever have a std. buffer spring in the rifle & if so , did it have the same problems ?

There new price is $255 ,even with $ 10 off ,how does that work out to $ 236 ? or am i missing something .

I have used taper crimp dies for many years , but the Lee factory crimp die has won me over lately on most of my crimping. How much , depends on the loading & bullet type. I have not done any testing yet on the two different crimping types ,but will later this year. Full length die set will work ,but I also use small base sizing dies on most of my semi auto loads , Because I use the same ammo in different rifles also.

Use barrel cleaners that are not copper removers. Most will say if they are for copper removal . Standard cleaning with a non-copper removal cleaner will just clean the barrel of contaminants . You should use a copper fouling removal cleaner if the barrel needs it . If you are a match shooter , you will want to remove copper fouling & re-season the barrel on a set schedule. I had a Browning BAR in 30'06 last year , that took a month to get the copper fouling out , it came out in slivers ( some lead ) on the patch's & stayed green for so long , I thought it would never clear up . Rifle prints nice groups now , they thought it was the scope , ammo & or scope mount . As said, a good cleaning straightened it out . Of course this is the extreme case , but you should deep clean with a high round count or having problems with a good barrel, known to shoot well.

Went to the range yesterday & the Barnes bullet shoot well ,but my loading of WC846 shot much better . I loaded 44.0 ,44.5 & 45 gr. loads with the IMR 4064 & 39 gr. load of WC846 & although the IMR 4064 shot decent , there were slight high pressure signs on all loadings with it . I could load the WC846 up ,a little more & I plan on reducing the loading on the IMR 4064 & they may shoot better , I plan on starting at 42.0gr. & make a couple above that by 0.5 gr. to see if loading improves & maybe not so much of a compressed load. Just for comparison , Temp. 91 deg., no wind . 308 cal. , 168 gr. Barnes ,TAC TX , 45 gr. IMR 4064 , LC brass , CCI primer. AVG. VOL.--- 2700 fps. ES ------------50 fps. SD -----------21 fps. 308 cal., 168 gr. Barnes TAC TX ,44 gr. IMR 4064 ,LC brass ,CCI primer AVG.VOL. --2673 fps. ES -----------52 fps. SD -----------24 fps. 308 cal. , 168 gr. , Barnes ,TAC TX ,39 gr. WC846 , LC brass , CCI primer . AVG.VOL. --2438 fps. ES -----------32 fps. SD -----------12 fps. 308 cal. , 168 gr. SMK , 39.5 gr. ,WC 846 ,LC brass , CCI primer. AV.VOL.-----2503 fps. ES -----------12 fps . SD ------------5 fps. The above SMK will print one hole groups @ 100 yards all day, as did the Barnes 168 gr. TAC TX did with the 39 gr. charge of WC846, So it looks like I'm going to drop the load of IMR 4064 & bump up the load of WC 846. Than test some more.

Natchez has Hornady 300BLK brass , 50 for around $ 33., kinda pricey ,but if you need some ,there it is.

Tracer round ? Them dimples are right where the cartridge head spaces , interesting . I think I have seen this before , just not sure .

Get a barrel that will shoot well at 800 & it will be a tac driver at 300 . So many choices out there now for barrel makers. What length , I'm sure a longer barrel will most likely put out better groups with the right ammo . A 16" will get the pill out there also, I have a 16" match HB on one of my AR 308's & I have never put a scope on her , so I can't say for sure how she would shoot at longer ranges ,but there's a lot out there, about some that don't have a problem with the short barrels at longer ranges. You will pay more than $ 300 for a good match barrel . Just read the build & parts sections here , to get a bunch of info on what all are using . AR 10 (the original AR 308 ) & the DPMS /SR25 have some differences in Receiver make up & proprietary parts . Better to stick with on type or the other , just keep things simple .

Midsouth has it in stock for $ 13.94 a box.

What barrel & twist rate you using ,also ?

Could be because they have stuff & others don't . I check there sight several times a day.

If it was me , I would keep the brake , you may not like the flash hider , but if that's what you want , go for it . Tell the people in the next shooting lane to put ear protection on .

The polishing of the bullet seater worked . I started with 44 gr. of IMR 4064 & worked my way up to 45 gr. with out a problem. Now having said that , I also resized all of them with my std. SB. RCBS die & had to re-trim all of them( 0.004 " ), not sure if that's was because of the small base die, the Redding is FL . The shoulders must not have been set back correctly with the Redding die. I really don't think that would make a difference in the seating , because both expanders are the same dia.. It may be something with the sizing bushing in the Redding die , as said I will get a couple more to see if it makes a difference or not . The shoulder set back is probably just my bad. Some times you have to use the instructions as a guide & not a written in stone kind of thing .

Damn coffee helps me log in every morning .

I do mostly Building automation now at work ,but do have to go out once in a while . Sure glade I'm retiring in November .

The problems with an AR 15 catch is that they some times miss the bolt on lock back or don't catch enough of the bolt to hold it back & will drop the BCG with just a slight bump of the rifle . I would make sure that the Bolt catch is seating properly in the lower receiver. Check the height of the AR 15 catch & then install the AR 10 catch & compare the two to see if the AR 10 may not be seating all the way into the lower receiver. All have to remember that there are no Ml spec's on the AR 308 type rifles , so some tolerance stacking could be happening . Most can be over come , but some can't. The measurement can be done with a digital caliper( as in the photo below ) dial caliper or what ever you can find to take a hight measurement. Take a measurement with it in catch mode (mag holding BCG back ) & at rest. Compare the two catch's , at there different mode's .

I called & He fixed me up for one of each . Thanks for the group buy . We need more of them. What's next ?

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How do you buy both at the same time ? I can only seem to get one at a time .

Robo , they can't sell them to any one from Commiefornia , so for you there is no line . <laughs>

Response from Barnes. I will try to chuck it up in my drill press & polish the inside of the seated plug. I also think I have multiple things going on to compound the problem , but will take care of them also.

I have done some further testing & finally had a successful seating . The dies I used to load this ammo are new Redding type "S" full length sizing die set. The expander ball on the Redding is 0.3065" . I took a measurement of my RCBS sizer die with a Carbide sizing ball ( a free floating sizer ball that was I think, offered by Hornady , a long time ago, maybe twenty years ago ) it is 0.3060 " , so there is little difference between the two & may just be my measuring + or -. Now the neck sizing bushing I ordered for this was specifically ordered to give more neck tension for a solid copper bullet , not a Barnes or any of the big names , a no name bullet . Had a bunch of them for free. The instruction say to measure the outside dis. of a loaded round & subtract 0.001 - 0.003" from it to come up with the correct bushing . I went with the lower side & got a 0.329 " bushing ,by far ,more than I needed , I figured , for the measured dia. of a loaded round of WW brass was 0.335". Would be tight & I have loaded many WW brass with this combo , successfully. Now the LC brass loaded , I find & should have known is, 0.340 "& its because of brass thickness , so there is part of the problem. Something in the spring back or other is going on with the LC brass. I think I may not have set up the Redding die for case shoulder set back properly also (used there instructions ) I set up my old SB RCBS dies , removed the depriming pin , lubed the sample cases by hand & resized them . Charged a case with 45 gr. of IMR 4064 & seated a Barnes ,tac tx bullet to COL. I could feel , it still wanted to stick ,but its in there. My brass sized with the Redding , chambered , but was very difficult to un-chamber . The RCBS sized brass un-chambered with ease. Same with a loaded round , the Redding sized brass ,loaded round would not completely chamber ,no matter what bullet . The RCBS loaded brass , had no problems. So One thing I will do is adj. my Redding die by my way & not there's & maybe get a couple of different size neck bushings for it. This bullet is really long & Barnes may say not to use 100% density powder charge with it , which may make some sense , I'm awaiting the reply.

If you haven't checked out the VooDoo crossbow bolts, here are a couple of photos so you can see what the difference is. The Horton bolts that came with the crossbow have an insert dis. of 0.345" The VooDoo bolts inserts dia. are 0.275 " I have to calibrate my scale to a higher weight setting , to weigh the two bolts & I will shoot them through my Chrono , with both field points & broadheads to see what that effect has on the two. My neighbor has a Barrnet crossbow & see what if any difference they have on it .